Shootings at Fort Hood

[Hot Air]

The psycho babble is thick enough that a sharp machete would not cut through it.

Fort Hood Suspect May Have Suffered From 'Compassion Fatigue,' Experts Say
Friday, November 06, 2009
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572625,00.html

This psycho babble is increasingly accepted without question, but is crap on several levels. The first reason is that if my individual mental health problems will cause a psychiatrist to commit mass murder, then no one should ever seek professional mental health help. Psychiatrists receive professional training on not personally accepting all patient problems. The second is that there is no consistent history of psychiatrists acting as Mass Murders, like we have seen at Fort Hood from a man with an obvious agenda. The third is we live in a PC World in which the designated PC police attempt to define every event in their prescribed World view, even if it is total BS. This is just more BS!

Compassion Fatique.

What the progressives won't do to the language to advance the agenda?

The quote here is from that well-known "progressive" news network, Fox News - it is the opinion of ONE an attending psychologist who specializes in disaster anxiety at St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Hospital in New York City. Hardly a "progressive" trying to influence an agenda.

It must be tough living when everything that occurs or is reported is part of some kind of a left-wing liberal, progressive conspiracy.

I don't care to get into the relative level of BS between the American Left and Right wings, since the accounting requirements would rival all American IRS returns. Fox is reporting the same BS story that other news organizations have. Psychiatrists may experience some level of compassion fatigue in their profession, but I don't hear that they go out and commit Mass Murder because they dealt with too many PTSD, Bipolar, or other difficult patients.

This psycho babble is pure political BS perpetrated by multiple news networks of various accepted political delineations. I also believe that FBI officials in Texas did indeed release statements that this was not a terrorist plot within hours of the event based purely on more political BS after they found out the individual's name and background. I saw Senator Kaye Bailey Hutchinson hesitate in releasing a Muslim sounding name to the American public. Most people could accept an initial FBI statement that there is no preliminary evidence of an terrorist conspiracy - so relax, but that is not what they stated to several news organizations.

Public officials have a duty to act judiciously and without prejudice. I don't include the Press in that statement, but in both cases we have long passed the Age of Innocence in regards to the Press and our Elected Officials. It is difficult to separate Elected Officials from their supporting Press now days, IMO.

[6ftstick]

The psycho babble is thick enough that a sharp machete would not cut through it.

Fort Hood Suspect May Have Suffered From 'Compassion Fatigue,' Experts Say
Friday, November 06, 2009
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572625,00.html

This psycho babble is increasingly accepted without question, but is crap on several levels. The first reason is that if my individual mental health problems will cause a psychiatrist to commit mass murder, then no one should ever seek professional mental health help. Psychiatrists receive professional training on not personally accepting all patient problems. The second is that there is no consistent history of psychiatrists acting as Mass Murders, like we have seen at Fort Hood from a man with an obvious agenda. The third is we live in a PC World in which the designated PC police attempt to define every event in their prescribed World view, even if it is total BS. This is just more BS!

Compassion Fatique.

What the progressives won't do to the language to advance the agenda?

The quote here is from that well-known "progressive" news network, Fox News - it is the opinion of ONE an attending psychologist who specializes in disaster anxiety at St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Hospital in New York City. Hardly a "progressive" trying to influence an agenda.

It must be tough living when everything that occurs or is reported is part of some kind of a left-wing liberal, progressive conspiracy.

A disaster anxiety specialist

Comeon Baldo your a lacrosse guy.

Is it any wonder 40 year old metrosexuals bike with a helmet

[sore+old]

Actually, he's not the only one who needs to get his facts straight. The shooter had TWO HAND GUNS, not one.

Some Initial reports thgis AM indicated he had but one gun. Like just about everything else reported so far in this story, it was apparently wrong. All the more reason the stop speculating and wait for FBI and Army investigators to complete their work on the facts of what occurred and possible motivations for the shooting.

Baldo, I'm just breaking your shoes. In reality, one gun, 2 guns, a blow gun, there are a dozen people who's lives tragically ended yesterday and many others whose lives are changed forever. We'll wait for the findings on conspiracy but even that pales in the face of the tragedy.

[jhu72]

The psycho babble is thick enough that a sharp machete would not cut through it.

Fort Hood Suspect May Have Suffered From 'Compassion Fatigue,' Experts Say
Friday, November 06, 2009
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572625,00.html

This psycho babble is increasingly accepted without question, but is crap on several levels. The first reason is that if my individual mental health problems will cause a psychiatrist to commit mass murder, then no one should ever seek professional mental health help. Psychiatrists receive professional training on not personally accepting all patient problems. The second is that there is no consistent history of psychiatrists acting as Mass Murders, like we have seen at Fort Hood from a man with an obvious agenda. The third is we live in a PC World in which the designated PC police attempt to define every event in their prescribed World view, even if it is total BS. This is just more BS!

Compassion Fatique.

What the progressives won't do to the language to advance the agenda?

The quote here is from that well-known "progressive" news network, Fox News - it is the opinion of ONE an attending psychologist who specializes in disaster anxiety at St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Hospital in New York City. Hardly a "progressive" trying to influence an agenda.

It must be tough living when everything that occurs or is reported is part of some kind of a left-wing liberal, progressive conspiracy.

A disaster anxiety specialist

Comeon Baldo your a lacrosse guy.

Is it any wonder 40 year old metrosexuals bike with a helmet

And what's your problem with disaster anxiety specialists? It's a dirty thankless job. Somebody has to create the anxiety associated with a disaster. I mean it doesn't just happen!

[Hot Air]

And what's your problem with disaster anxiety specialists? It's a dirty thankless job. Somebody has to create the anxiety associated with a disaster. I mean it doesn't just happen!

Good one, funny, and it sounds like one of Rahm Emanuel's mottos. Unfortunately it comes at the expense of elected officials, which has been standard fare for sometime, but I fear that we are passing into the realm of not trusting anyone that has a Federal or State Government job due increasing elected Representative interference with career civil servants. The most immediate Federal reform laws required, IMO, are in regards to our arrogant elected officials acting as entitled Mandarins.

[Baldo]

A disaster anxiety specialist

Comeon Baldo your a lacrosse guy.

Is it any wonder 40 year old metrosexuals bike with a helmet

That is the "expert" the folks a Fox News found to be dumb enough to actually weigh in on the stupid question they asked.

[jhu72]

A disaster anxiety specialist

Comeon Baldo your a lacrosse guy.

Is it any wonder 40 year old metrosexuals bike with a helmet

That is the "expert" the folks a Fox News found to be dumb enough to actually weigh in on the stupid question they asked.

It may have been Alan Combs in disguise. Although I think he would be hard to disguise.

[jhu72]

And what's your problem with disaster anxiety specialists? It's a dirty thankless job. Somebody has to create the anxiety associated with a disaster. I mean it doesn't just happen!

Good one, funny, and it sounds like one of Rahm Emanuel's mottos. Unfortunately it comes at the expense of elected officials, which has been standard fare for sometime, but I fear that we are passing into the realm of not trusting anyone that has a Federal or State Government job due increasing elected Representative interference with career civil servants. The most immediate Federal reform laws required, IMO, are in regards to our arrogant elected officials acting as entitled Mandarins.

Or Dick Cheney's.

[2badknees]

And what's your problem with disaster anxiety specialists? It's a dirty thankless job. Somebody has to create the anxiety associated with a disaster. I mean it doesn't just happen!

Good one, funny, and it sounds like one of Rahm Emanuel's mottos. Unfortunately it comes at the expense of elected officials, which has been standard fare for sometime, but I fear that we are passing into the realm of not trusting anyone that has a Federal or State Government job due increasing elected Representative interference with career civil servants. The most immediate Federal reform laws required, IMO, are in regards to our arrogant elected officials acting as entitled Mandarins.

Or Dick Cheney's.

Or Dick Cheney's what????
Ah, yes...the random apostrophe Where's One L when we need her? So tell me...are you one who eats shoots and leaves?

[jhu72]

And what's your problem with disaster anxiety specialists? It's a dirty thankless job. Somebody has to create the anxiety associated with a disaster. I mean it doesn't just happen!

Good one, funny, and it sounds like one of Rahm Emanuel's mottos. Unfortunately it comes at the expense of elected officials, which has been standard fare for sometime, but I fear that we are passing into the realm of not trusting anyone that has a Federal or State Government job due increasing elected Representative interference with career civil servants. The most immediate Federal reform laws required, IMO, are in regards to our arrogant elected officials acting as entitled Mandarins.

Or Dick Cheney's.

Or Dick Cheney's what????
Ah, yes...the random apostrophe Where's One L when we need her? So tell me...are you one who eats shoots and leaves?

Motto(s). Thought that would be obvious.

Hey, if I could spell or puctuate, I'd be able to get a really good job.

[Hot Air]

There is an obvious lack of knowledge about firearms by reporters and editors as shown by this AP report.

The initial investigation shows that Hasan allegedly used only one gun during the attack — a 5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol.
http://www.stjoenews.net/news/2009/nov/ ... /?breaking

The 0.45 caliber Colt 1911 was the standard US military sidearm until roughly 20 years ago, and sometimes it is loosely called a 45 caliber meaning the projectile is 0.45 inches in diameter. A 5.7 caliber hand gun would mean that the projectile is either 5.7 inches diameter (a cannon round) or as the looser caliber terminology would indicate a weapon smaller than standard pellet or BB guns. So which is it AP

Maybe laxman3221 or others here can give us more info than my rudimentary background?

Our professional media are still scratching their heads. Is this what they are referring, but have zero frame of reference? No wonder most newspapers are nearly bankrupt. If they want to pay someone outside of their insular community to correct their errors, I'm sure we can find qualified individuals.

The Five-Seven (marketed as "Five-seveN"[7]) is a semi-automatic pistol in 5.7x28mm caliber manufactured by FN Herstal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

5.7 caliber or 5.7 mm, what the hey it is close enough to inform the mentally challenged American public, because neither of us can find our a** with both hands.

[on the road]

There is an obvious lack of knowledge about firearms by reporters and editors as shown by this AP report.

The initial investigation shows that Hasan allegedly used only one gun during the attack — a 5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol.
http://www.stjoenews.net/news/2009/nov/ ... /?breaking

The 0.45 caliber Colt 1911 was the standard US military sidearm until roughly 20 years ago, and sometimes it is loosely called a 45 caliber meaning the projectile is 0.45 inches in diameter. A 5.7 caliber hand gun would mean that the projectile is either 5.7 inches diameter (a cannon round) or as the looser caliber terminology would indicate a weapon smaller than standard pellet or BB guns. So which is it AP

Maybe laxman3221 or others here can give us more info than my rudimentary background?

Our professional media are still scratching their heads. Is this what they are referring, but have zero frame of reference? No wonder most newspapers are nearly bankrupt. If they want to pay someone outside of their insular community to correct their errors, I'm sure we can find qualified individuals.

The Five-Seven (marketed as "Five-seveN"[7]) is a semi-automatic pistol in 5.7x28mm caliber manufactured by FN Herstal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

5.7 caliber or 5.7 mm, what the hey it is close enough to inform the mentally challenged American public, because neither of us can find our a** with both hands.

just speculating of course but for one person to inflict that much damage, there must have been (at least) something "semi-automatic" involved.

[jhu7276]

this psychiatrist was clearly ill...when a guy this age acts bizarrely one must always rule out organic causes such as an occult frontal lobe tumor, etc. as an explanation before we start finger pointing...to give him a psychiatric diagnosis is a diagnosis of exclusion, but it may prove to be the case that he was frankly depressed and suicidal/homicidal...whatever the explanation this was a horrible tragedy

[Trav]

this psychiatrist was clearly ill...when a guy this age acts bizarrely one must always rule out organic causes such as an occult frontal lobe tumor, etc. as an explanation before we start finger pointing...to give him a psychiatric diagnosis is a diagnosis of exclusion, but it may prove to be the case that he was frankly depressed and suicidal/homicidal...whatever the explanation this was a horrible tragedy

According to today's paper, he had given away most of his possessions in the weeks leading up to the incident. I don't think we will be too surprised about future background developments.

Perhaps I'll be proven wrong, but I do expect there will be a lot of second-guessing about what "someone" "should" have done given "all the warning signals."

[artful dodger]

this psychiatrist was clearly ill...when a guy this age acts bizarrely one must always rule out organic causes such as an occult frontal lobe tumor, etc. as an explanation before we start finger pointing...to give him a psychiatric diagnosis is a diagnosis of exclusion, but it may prove to be the case that he was frankly depressed and suicidal/homicidal...whatever the explanation this was a horrible tragedy

He had a occult frontal lobe tumor. The rest of us call it a brain.

[randyrad]

Regarding Maj Hasan's Army funded education, based on Fri PBS Newshour :
Entered Army right out of HS, in program where Army paid for undergrad degree at VaTech, leading to the military's joint Med School - the Uniformed Services Medical University, Bethesda, MD.
Then practiced at nearby Walter Reed for 6 yrs, before recent transfer to Ft Hood.

From same report - unmarried. Rented basement apt. Landlady (who lived upstairs) said she barely knew him. PBS also reporting that he became "increasingly religious after death of his parents, & disenchanted with the military."
CNN showing convience store surv video of him shopping in traditional Muslim prayer robes near Ft Hood.

Important for Senior Leaders to reach out to Muslim Americans. Time to emphasize the contributions of Muslim Americans in the military & intell effort - can't let this become divisive. Given conspiracists, might be tough for Pres Obama to take the lead on this - maybe Sec Gates would be best for this.
Something like a visit to Maj Hasan's former Muslim Center in Silver Spring MD, stressing the contributions of Muslim Americans in the Natl Security effort, would be helpful, imo.

[2badknees]

Regarding Maj Hasan's Army funded education, based on Fri PBS Newshour :
Entered Army right out of HS, in program where Army paid for undergrad degree at VaTech, leading to the military's joint Med School - the Uniformed Services Medical University, Bethesda, MD.
Then practiced at nearby Walter Reed for 6 yrs, before recent transfer to Ft Hood.

From same report - unmarried. Rented basement apt. Landlady (who lived upstairs) said she barely knew him. PBS also reporting that he became "increasingly religious after death of his parents, & disenchanted with the military."
CNN showing convience store surv video of him shopping in traditional Muslim prayer robes near Ft Hood.

Important for Senior Leaders to reach out to Muslim Americans. Time to emphasize the contributions of Muslim Americans in the military & intell effort - can't let this become divisive. Given conspiracists, might be tough for Pres Obama to take the lead on this - maybe Sec Gates would be best for this.
Something like a visit to Maj Hasan's former Muslim Center in Silver Spring MD, stressing the contributions of Muslim Americans in the Natl Security effort, would be helpful, imo.

Already SERIOUSLY behind the power curve on this...Today's WaPo had a story from Killeen about the local reaction...NOT good. One would have thought that anyone with half a brain would have anticipated something like this and stashed a pre-vetted reponse on the shelf. Apparently the ability to think of branches and sequels in everyday life is NOT high on the list of the skills cultivated by the DoD head-shed this year. Or, as the frau points out, most others. Refusal to think of something like this taking place guarantees failure to repond effectively. The idea that "that would/could NEVER happen" automatically means you are an incompetent planner. May be low probability, but Poccur for something like this is ALWAYS greater than 0.000.

[a fan]

This guy is pretty screwed from a military justice standpoint, isn't he? I'd imagine that Army jurisprudence doesn't allow for things like the twinkie defense.

[jhu7276]

He had a occult frontal lobe tumor. The rest of us call it a brain.

I'm trying to be serious here and your wise *ss response is not appreciated.



It's too bad that no one questioned that the guy needed help if it's true his behavior was becoming increasingly bizarre...someone should have spoken up...I'm sure in the military with the chain of command his behavior should have been addressed and medical/psychiatric help should have been sought...in hindsight...

[2badknees]

This guy is pretty screwed from a military justice standpoint, isn't he? I'd imagine that Army jurisprudence doesn't allow for things like the twinkie defense.

Actually, quite the reverse. First thing that must happen is that the General Court Martial convening Authority (in this case, the III Corps Commander. I'm pretty sure) must convene an Article 32 investigation...the equivalent of the Civil Grand Jury...to determine if a crime took place within the definition of the uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ...the Military's law book), and whether there is probable cause to believe Hasan committed it. The Article 32 investigating officer submits a finding, together with a recommendation as to the level of the court to try the case (Special Court Martial, which has limited sentencing authority, or General Court Martial, which can drop the hammer big time.)
Assuming a positive finding, then a court martial (likely a general in this case) would be convened. There would be a military judge (same authority as a Federal Judge, in essence) appointed to hear the case, as well as a prosecuting attorney and defense attorney, both professional lawyers. Hasan can also opt for a civilian lawyer at his expense. He has the option of having the case heard by a Judge only, or by a jury of six peers or superiors, with both councils having the right of voix dir on the panel pool, normally 12 personnel (assuming a General Court Martial, which has the authority to order up to and including the death penalty). Case is tried under Federal rules of evidence, with the Jury having the right to convict of the charged crime, or a lesser included offense (e.g. manslaughter in place of murder), if proven. Prosecutor must prove ALL elements of the crime, as enumerated in the UCMJ, beyond a reasonable doubt. Jury must be unanimous in the verdict. If memory serves properly, if the accused is found guilty, the Jury may recommend a penalty, but the Judge has the final say so, and can refuse a jury recommendation considered too harsh (e.g. death vs life imprisonment). The jurors, btw, will almost certainly be drawn from a pool of field grade officers (Majors or above, as required) from installations OTHER than Fort Hood.
You can bet this guy will get one MUCHO squared away trial....FAR too many eyes on it to have THAT screwed up. And, the system...despite the myths about it...works pretty well. Having sat on one such case as a juror, I can tell you that the entire establishment, judge, lawyers, and jury, takes the case VERY seriously. The issue of premeditation will surely come up. The Frau points out that, WRT to trial by a jury of his peers, the six officers who will sit on that jury are likely to understand the pressures on the man better than ANY civilian jury. Almost certainly, they will have faced similar issues...at least the problem of having to deal with returning soldiers who have to be re-integrated into society. They will also probably be combat veterans, who have faced real life and death decisions.
BTW, you do know that the first use of the temporary insanity defense was by a military officer, right. Dan Sickles (of later "fame" at Gettysburg and Walter Reed Hospital, where he came to visit his leg every year after the battle), was charged with the murder of his wife, having found out she was having an affair. He got off.