NCAC 2018

Re: NCAC 2018

New postby oldtimelax on Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:36 am

oldtimelax wrote:Here's my Top 20 for this week:

(1) RIT (6-0) Keeps on winning
(2) Cabrini (6-0) Ditto
(3) York (7-1) Best of Mustang Classic
(4) Gettysburg (7-1) Only loss to W&L
(5) Tufts (4-0) Only one top 20 win
(6) F&M (6-1) Wins over Lynchburg and Cortland
(7) Amherst (4-1) Beat Denison
(8) Roanoke (6-1) Beat Dickinson
(9) Wesleyan (4-1) Beat Bates and Middlebury
(10) Ithaca (5-0) No big wins yet
(11) Dickinson (5-2) Beat Stevenson and Denison
(12) Denison (5-2) Beat W&L, Stevenson and Roanoke
(13) Salisbury (6-2) Wins over Lynchburg, Stevenson and Washington College
(14) OWU (6-2) Beat Salisbury, only losses to #1 and #2
(15) Christopher Newport (7-0) Haven't played anyone yet
(16) St. Lawrence (3-1) Ditto
(17) Stevens (5-1) Killed by Tufts, haven't beaten a top team yet
(18) W&L (6-3) Tough schedule and wins over G'burg and Washington College
(19) Conn. College (4-1) Beat Middlebury
(20) Cortland (3-2) Beat Nazareth, but lost to Springfield and F&M


First poll out (US Lacrosse)....Nostradamus, I am not....Ithaca is a shock....but what do I know...some big games this week will help sort things out!

NIKE/US LACROSSE
DIVISION III MEN’S TOP 20

# School Record Last Wk. Next Game
1 RIT 6-0 1 3/21 vs. Geneseo
2 York 7-1 4 3/24 vs. No. 8 Salisbury
3 Tufts 4-0 6 3/20 at Stevenson
4 Cabrini 6-0 5 3/23 at Stevenson
5 Ithaca 5-0 9 3/21 at Oneonta
6 Gettysburg 7-1 3 3/24 at Ursinus
7 Wesleyan 4-1 10 3/21 at No. 11 Roanoke
8 Salisbury 6-2 11 3/24 at No. 2 York
9 Amherst 4-1 8 3/21 at Endicott
10 F&M 6-1 15 3/20 vs. Lebanon Valley
11 Roanoke 6-1 17 3/21 vs. No. 7 Wesleyan
12 Denison 5-2 2 3/23 vs. Rhodes
13 Cortland 4-2 7 3/21 vs. Clarkson
14 CNU 7-0 14 3/21 at Virginia Wesleyan
15 Stevens 5-1 18 3/21 vs. Williams
16 OWU 6-2 12 3/24 vs. Kenyon
17 Dickinson 5-2 20 3/24 at Washington College
18 St. Lawrence 3-1 13 3/21 vs. Western New England
19 Muhlenberg 7-0 NR 3/21 at FDU-Florham
20 W&L 6-3 NR 3/24 vs. No. 11 Roanoke
ALSO CONSIDERED: BATES, CONNECTICUT COLLEGE, COAST GUARD, SPRINGFIELD, SWARTHMORE, UNION
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby lewistownlax09 on Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:09 pm

Owu should be at least number 8 if not even higher than that. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby Gypsy on Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:04 pm

lewistownlax09 wrote:Owu should be at least number 8 if not even higher than that. Absolutely ridiculous.
Why should OWU be ranked above, for example, Amherst?
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby redhoya on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:56 pm

Denison Question: As a fan far from Granville, I am curious about the Big Red's keeper situation. Paras was something like 18-1 as a freshman, yet now it looks like he is Denison's #3 choice. What happened? Are these other goal keepers just better? Injury? Or did he find a coach's dog house during the off season? Seems odd.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby oldtimelax on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:13 pm

Latest Coaches Poll has Salisbury at #7 and OWU at #15....Both have 6-2 records.

Salisbury has NO wins vs. any teams in the Top 20. They have two losses vs. #5 Gettysburg and #15 OWU (both close games). OWU has one win vs. #7 Salisbury and two losses to #1 and #3...(both close games)

How is #9 Denison two spots ahead of #11 Dickinson, both 5-2, when Devils beat them by 7 goals?

How is Cortland #14 and 4-2 - no Top 20 wins and three wins vs. teams with either 1-5 records or 0-6. One loss is to Springfield, which got beat by #1 RIT 23-7...(11 goals more than their win over OWU).

How is this right?
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby redhoya on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:50 pm

Not different than football or basketball polling. It's imprecise and the established name always gets the benefit of the doubt until the new name establishes itself. It's been a while for OWU to be prominent in the polls and Salisbury has dominated the polls for a long time. It will take OWU (or anyone else) a consistent effort over time to move up. Take a look at Denison's long, slow climb last year.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby takeaway on Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:03 pm

redhoya wrote:Denison Question: As a fan far from Granville, I am curious about the Big Red's keeper situation. Paras was something like 18-1 as a freshman, yet now it looks like he is Denison's #3 choice. What happened? Are these other goal keepers just better? Injury? Or did he find a coach's dog house during the off season? Seems odd.


Hard to say red. I thought he played well this weekend and made a lot of very good saves in two games where DU defense played back on their heels for what seemed like an eternity (which has not been the norm for them the last couple of years, but that's another issue). I will say the dog house is a very real place in Granville. Like most good programs you have to earn your time and if you don't work hard in the offseason and during practice you can find a place there. Unfair to say that's the case b/c I don't know circumstances but, it can happen, and more so at goalie where things are so mental.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby redhoya on Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:18 am

Thanks.

I hope if its a discipline thing that he comes around. He's very talented and, if nothing else, realistic competition from him for playing time will likely cause the other two keepers to step up as well.

Everyone knew replacing last year's leadership would be a task for the Big Red. I hope they work it out soon because OWU looks like they have their act together. NCAC teams, Denison included, cannot rely on an at-large bid. Not enough history and not enough respect nationally---yet. They need to win the conference bid to assure themselves of a post season and right now it looks like a toss up with the Bishops.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby Stonegate on Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:34 pm

Regardless of the reason for the losses at Stevenson, flu, goaltending issues, just beat by a better team, the Red squandered some opportunities to solidify their position. As with the Bishops the Red are left with no real resume builders left. Middlebury is on the schedule. But not at present much merit there relative to the NCAA at large. Both are pretty much relegated to an AQ, loser stays home again. Thanks to those who took their time to do the rankings here as well as the commenters. It is hard to separate teams when head to head games are one pointers or OT.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby FannOLax on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:52 am

Middlebury @ Denison: Middlebury's all-time leading scorer (in the school's athletic Hall of Fame, etc.) is Jeff Thomsen, class of 1983. Jeff is the son of Tommy Thomsen, Denison's legendary head coach from 1966 to 1990 (who died in 2012, RIP). Back in those days, almost no Ohio high schools had lacrosse; Jeff played at the Holderness School in New Hampshire. Jeff has an older brother who went to Williams and (I might be forgetting an older sibling) a younger sister who went to Wittenberg.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby redhoya on Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:56 am

Great background!

Coach Thomsen wasn't just a great lacrosse coach, he was a great all around human being and campus leader who positively influenced far more students than just his players. His impact on the Denison campus was truly worthy of the word "legendary."
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby D-III on Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:48 am

When Middlebury and Williams play annually, it is for the Thomsen Trophy, which started when Jeff played for Midd and his brother Peter played for Williams. Tommy Thomsen's father is in the US Lacrosse Hall of Fame. National champ as a player (scored 14 goals in one game), and coached at Gilman, McDonogh, UPenn and Princeton (where he won two national titles).

Midd and Denison haven't played since 2000, it will be nice to have that one back. Lot of history there.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby FannOLax on Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:03 pm

Nice, comfortable win for OWU today, jumping out to a 12-1 lead over Kenyon, then coasting to a 21-10 home victory. Five GKs played for OWU. Midweek home game coming for the Bishops against perhaps the best OAC team, John Carroll. Hiram scored 13 goals today against Wooster, but the Scots scored 24 in Hiram, Ohio.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby oldtimelax on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:42 am

Denison has the big match-up this week with a less than stellar Middlebury squad that has not lived up to the pre-season expectations. Kind of a no-win situation for Denison in the polls unless they run away with it.

OWU and Denison are on a collision course that will probably take two games to sort out. Big Red might have a Pool C path if they don"t win...but the Bishops will not. Three weeks until Round One!
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby FannOLax on Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:22 am

I wonder if someone with contacts in the Denison camp could up-date us on the Big Red's health (flu).
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby atax on Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:18 am

Yeah, and while you're at it, can you also send us all their Man Up plays as well?

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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby Stonegate on Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:12 am

Looking forward to tonight's Mid vs Red game. Mid has not been as expected and DU is trending downward of late. Didn't see Friday's game, but the score seemed to give little indication of a turn around. As pointed out Red will need a very solid win to improve its ranking and AL possibilities. Though imo AL is not looking at all promising for NCAC. Pretty much situation normal. Gulls loss seems to have little impact on Bishops ranking though I expected it to be more detrimental. Mildly optimistic that OWU can wrest conf champ from DU. We will see.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby IDigClams on Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:51 am

It's still early in the season for NESCAC teams, but the way Middlebury is trending a win over them may not mean very much at the end of the year as far as quality wins go. They already have three losses in the NESCAC and still have to play Tufts, Amherst and Williams. Who knows for sure, but they can easily lose two out of those three games. This is a must win for Denison.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby FannOLax on Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:57 pm

Hmmm, well, this evening's game has no direct bearing on the potential AQ for Denison... but in terms of confidence, momentum, possible tournament seeding and (should it be necessary) a potential Pool C bid, yes, this is a big one for the Big Red.
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Re: NCAC 2018

New postby IDigClams on Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:14 pm

Yes, I was referring to Denison's hope for a pool C bid should they not win the NCAC AQ.
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