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The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 3/16

New postby cloverdale on Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:13 am

Hear us, hear us. We hereby present the second installment of the Lax Guys' National High School Rankings. The week was somewhat boring unless you were a MIAA fan or followed a select few other teams in the Mid-Atlantic region. It's only a short time until the season is fully underway nationwide, we just can't wait. Enjoy.

1. Boys' Latin (MD) (1-0) • The Lakers retain the top spot in our rankings after putting away the Saint Andrew’s Scots, 12-11, in front of a huge crowd in Boca Raton on Saturday night. Boys’ Latin spread the ball well and had excellent face-off and goalie play by R.G. Keenan and Thomas Guarino, respectively. They will remain in Florida for a few more days to play Miami’s Gulliver Prep before returning to Baltimore, only to head to St. Stephen’s & St. Agnes on Saturday.

2. Haverford School (PA) (1-0) • The Fords jump up several spots after using a dominant first half to knock off the formerly #2 St. Paul’s Crusaders by a score of 13-9 on Friday afternoon in suburban Philadelphia. The offense, boosted by a plethora of talented juniors, clicked very well, and the longpoles were able to hold SP’s big guns Pat Powderly and Jeff Fountain to zero points. Haverford will travel to Loyola Blakefield on Tuesday before hosting another MIAA power, McDonogh, on Saturday afternoon.

3. West Islip (NY, Sect 11) (0-0) • First game: Sachem North 3/31

4. Deerfield Academy (MA, NE West) (0-0) • First game: Brunswick 3/27

5. St. Paul's (MD) (0-1) • The Crusaders drop three spots after falling to the host Haverford Fords, 13-9, on Friday afternoon. Weak face-off play and defensive mistakes, among other things, plagued the Crusies, but most expect they will practice hard during the next week before hosting Western Reserve Academy on Saturday at noon. On the following Tuesday, they will travel to Bethesda to take on the #14 Georgetown Prep Little Hoyas.

6. Lafayette (NY Sect 3) • First game: @ Manlius-Pebble Hill 4/6

7. Salisbury School (CT, NE West) • First game: @ Boys' Latin 4/3

8. Conestoga (PA) • First game: @ Landon 3/27

9. Garden City (NY Sect 8 ) • First game: Syosset 3/24

10. Chaminade (NY, Catholic League) • Massapequa 3/24

11. Calvert Hall (MD) • First game: Hill Academy 3/19

12. West Genesee (NY Sect 3) • First game: Jamesville-DeWitt 3/30

13. Ward Melville (NY Sect 11) • First game: Smithtown East 3/26

14. Georgetown Prep (MD IAC) (1-0) • The Little Hoyas easily cruised past Jesuit rival Gonzaga in their opener on Saturday, 14-2. Their next game should be much more difficult, as Georgetown Prep will host defending MIAA champion Gilman School on Wednesday. They then face four games in three days as part of the Jesuit Lacrosse Classic next weekend, including matches against top frontier programs Loyola Academy (IL), Regis Jesuit (CO), and Dallas Jesuit (TX).

15. St. Anthony's (NY Catholic League) • First game: Kellenberg Memorial 4/1

16. Avon Old Farms (CT, NE West) • First game: @ McDonogh 3/23

17. St. Mary's (MD) (3-0) • The Saints won three games on consecutive days, defeating Virginia programs Collegiate School and St. Anne’s-Belfield on the road sandwiched around a 15-0 victory over the Hill School (PA). The competition will get stiffer this week, when St. Mary’s faces Landon on Friday at home on in its only game of the week.

18. John Jay (NY Sect 1) • First game: @ Brewster 4/1

19. Gilman (MD) (2-0) • The Greyhounds began their season by topping two perennial Virginia powers back-to-back. The first was a 14-12 victory over St. Anne's Belfield on Friday night, and the second was a 10-4 dismantling of Collegiate School in Richmond. The reigning MIAA champions have several new faces getting quality minutes, especially at midfield and on the defense. They will face off with non-conference rival Georgetown Prep on Tuesday in Bethesda.

20. Landon (MD IAC) • First game: Good Counsel 3/16

21. Summit (NJ) • First game: Randolph 4/3

22. Canandaigua Academy (NY Sect 5) • First game: @ Pittsford 3/30

23. Saint Andrew's School (FL) (9-1) • After cruising through their first nine games against in-state competition, untested with the exception of a one-goal victory over Lake Highland Prep, the Scots hosted top-ranked Boys’ Latin on Saturday and came away with a very respectable 13-12 loss. The schedule doesn’t get too much easier for Saint Andrew’s, as they will face out-of-state programs Fort Collins Unified (CO) and Brunswick (CT) on Monday and Wednesday before returning to Florida competition against Barron Collier on Saturday.

24. Delbarton School (NJ) • First game: Georgetown Prep (neutral site) 4/1

25. Smithtown West (NY Sect 11) • First game: Whitman 3/26
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Cloverdale: Ty Xanders attended St. Paul's School for Boys and played volleyball for the Crusaders. After playing lacrosse for five years, Ty decided to give up the sport after his freshman year and instead avidly follow it. In March of his senior year, he began covering high school lacrosse for Inside Lacrosse as an intern. He is a freshman at Lynchburg College but is currently taking the semester off and living in Towson, Md. He plans on pursuing a degree in journalism and hopes to cover high school lacrosse and recruiting upon graduation. His hobbies include video games, going out with his friends, and following SEC football.

THEGilmanFan: Ryan Summers attended the Gilman School and played football and track and field for the Greyhounds. Ryan was a part of Gilman's 2002 nationally ranked football team, for which he played on the offensive line. Upon graduation from Gilman, Ryan attended the University of Dayton, where he would later receive a B.A. in psychology. Ryan currently resides in Odenton, Maryland and works for Keypoint Organization as a community outreach specialist. His job allows him to help mentally ill people become more independent and learn vital life skills. In his free time, Ryan enjoys playing video games, reading, and spending time with friends.

LI13: Chris Kieser is a senior at the University of Notre Dame, where he will graduate with a degree in Economics and History in May 2010. Before Notre Dame, he graduated from Northport High School on Long Island, where he was twice a member of the all-Suffolk County bowling team and attended nearly every boys' and girls' lacrosse game. He enjoys playing golf, poker, and watching baseball (New York Mets), college basketball (Duke and Notre Dame), and college football (Notre Dame), in addition to lacrosse. In the fall of 2010 he will be attending law school at a school to be determined.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 3/16

New postby BucksLaxDad on Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:53 pm

Prediction - the final standings will look very dissimilar to this....I think it will be a topsy-turvey season with favorites falling to underdogs, and fallen favorites finding redemption later in the season. Hold on to your hats...its gonna be a wild ride.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 3/16

New postby get it to x on Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:07 pm

Cloverdale,

Any chance as more games get played and you update your rankings that you can put the previous ranking with each team?

On another note, your Crusaders ran ino a very good defensive team on Friday. When St Mary's played them in the HERO tournament in Haverford over the summer I think St Mary's won 4-3. They have great overal team speed. No shame in the loss, other than for the NC hopes. I think WI will need to lose a game for an MIAA Nat'l Champ to occur as I don't see anybody in the MIAA going unbeaten.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 3/16

New postby calax_parent on Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:20 pm

get it to x wrote:Any chance as more games get played and you update your rankings that you can put the previous ranking with each team?

I'll second that proposition!
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New postby LI13 on Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:22 pm

Remember, Gilman was our national champion last year with one loss. I don't like the chances of WI going undefeated this year (they face three ranked teams in the regular season, not to mention the county and state tournaments)...I would think the team with the best chances of going undefeated this year is LaFayette, which would really be interesting as far as the rankings are considered.

On another note, These rankings were finished Sunday night and in the meantime, St. Andrew's defeated Fort Collins 10-9 yesterday.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 3/16

New postby cloverdale on Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:35 pm

get it to x wrote:Cloverdale,

Any chance as more games get played and you update your rankings that you can put the previous ranking with each team?

On another note, your Crusaders ran ino a very good defensive team on Friday. When St Mary's played them in the HERO tournament in Haverford over the summer I think St Mary's won 4-3. They have great overal team speed. No shame in the loss, other than for the NC hopes. I think WI will need to lose a game for an MIAA Nat'l Champ to occur as I don't see anybody in the MIAA going unbeaten.

Yes, we can absolutely do that. As for Haverford, they're a very gritty and well coached team that's tough every single year. Since my freshman year, three of the games went into overtime and we were lucky to come away with W's each time. This year, their 9 D1 commits in the junior class really bring the heat, I don't even want to think about how talented they'll be next year.

I agree with you when you say West Islip (or any other top team) will need to go undefeated for a MIAA team to be the 'National Champions'. I do think the Lions will fall once or twice, they lost too much on the defensive end to be as good as they were last year. And in this MIAA format, 'murderers row' as one coach called it, I don't think any team will go undefeated this year or next year! I'm a fan of this format for a lot of reasons, but I do wish MIAA teams could play some more non-conference games. But then again, I think every team would be dead towards the end of the season. Some teams in Philly play upwards of 30 games a year, which is ridiculous.
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New postby ankleBreaker22 on Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:26 pm

How does St. Andrews out of FL lose by one goal to Boys Latin, and you have BL at #1 and ST.A at #23. Even if St. Andrews recruits their players, (which is true, and poor sportsmanlike) they are still one of the top 15 probably top 11 best High School teams in the nation. A.) St.A kids are good laxers and B.) They are FLORIDA ATHLETES, which means they are some of the best in the nation because they train outdoors year round. Give respect where respect is due. Either Boys Latin isn't that good, or you guys are just snubbing Florida lacrosse because you're ill-educated.
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New postby Swampscotter on Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:38 pm

Although teams want to travel to Florida for spring break, I would love to see how a team like St Andrews would perform outside the state of Florida.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 3/16

New postby cloverdale on Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:47 pm

ankleBreaker22 wrote:How does St. Andrews out of FL lose by one goal to Boys Latin, and you have BL at #1 and ST.A at #23. Even if St. Andrews recruits their players, (which is true, and poor sportsmanlike) they are still one of the top 15 probably top 11 best High School teams in the nation. A.) St.A kids are good laxers and B.) They are FLORIDA ATHLETES, which means they are some of the best in the nation because they train outdoors year round. Give respect where respect is due. Either Boys Latin isn't that good, or you guys are just snubbing Florida lacrosse because you're ill-educated.

We're not going to rank those two teams solely based on the score. However, there's no doubt we will jump the Scots in the rankings after their one-goal win over a tough Fort Collins team. Read the posts on our last rankings' threads, St. A's has played 11 games while BL has played one (and almost done their second against Gulliver).
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New postby get it to x on Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:24 pm

ankleBreaker22 wrote:How does St. Andrews out of FL lose by one goal to Boys Latin, and you have BL at #1 and ST.A at #23. Even if St. Andrews recruits their players, (which is true, and poor sportsmanlike) they are still one of the top 15 probably top 11 best High School teams in the nation. A.) St.A kids are good laxers and B.) They are FLORIDA ATHLETES, which means they are some of the best in the nation because they train outdoors year round. Give respect where respect is due. Either Boys Latin isn't that good, or you guys are just snubbing Florida lacrosse because you're ill-educated.


Your frustration is understandable. Keep in mind though that it is hard to rank a team that has so many lopsided wins because you don't know if its their superiority or the other teams inferiority. A Florida team and a team (Ft Collins) WestsideLax has as #5 in the West played them tight and so did BL in their first game. Most talented teams get better as the season goes on. Unfortunately it looks like this is a debate that won't get solved against MIAA teams due to their heavy league schedule. A more true indicator would be a game in April against any of the Mid-Atlantic or Northeast powers.
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New postby speculator on Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:20 pm

Unfortunately, Cloverdale, it looks like SP is a bit over-rated and over-hyped. Too bad, I was hopeful this would be their year to shine. Oh well, time will tell soon enough.

Not sure BL is #1 material, but they are winning vs. decent competition.

Me thinks St. Mary's and Gilman should be ranked over SP. Just a suggestion...
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New postby cloverdale on Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:53 pm

Come on man, we're five days into the season and my Crusaders have played one game. Everybody can say we were overrated and overhyped if we screw up a handful of times between now and early April but for now, it's just outlandish.
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New postby WhichCoast on Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:17 pm

ankleBreaker22 wrote:How does St. Andrews out of FL lose by one goal to Boys Latin, and you have BL at #1 and ST.A at #23. Even if St. Andrews recruits their players, (which is true, and poor sportsmanlike) they are still one of the top 15 probably top 11 best High School teams in the nation. A.) St.A kids are good laxers and B.) They are FLORIDA ATHLETES, which means they are some of the best in the nation because they train outdoors year round. Give respect where respect is due. Either Boys Latin isn't that good, or you guys are just snubbing Florida lacrosse because you're ill-educated.


I'm not the ranker, but I can add some color, here.

High School teams do not travel well. A few years back a strong Garden City team flew to San Diego and got beat by some less talented teams. Really good west coast teams go to MD and play like crap. I could cite dozens of cases where this happens, but if I were a betting man, I'd ding a team that changed time zones or flew more than 500 miles 3 points, and a team that did both 5 points.

Also, lacrosse is a team sport that is so complex that teams really DO get better as the season rolls on. Both Balmer and Denver have been snowed in. SA has been playing. That matters.

HUGE kudos to St. Andrews for playing a hotbed power and a frontier power to a draw. One goal games are a draw in my book. StA 10 games into the season is as good as BL and FOCO before they start playing, so the rankings are sound. Good lord, StA is nosing into the top 20 of 3200 teams by doing this, and that is huge for a team without a hotbed schedule.
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New postby cloverdale on Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:28 pm

WhichCoast, great post as always. You responded much better then I did, :lol:.
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New postby jhuck-80 on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:12 am

cloverdale wrote:Come on man, we're five days into the season and my Crusaders have played one game. Everybody can say we were overrated and overhyped if we screw up a handful of times between now and early April but for now, it's just outlandish.
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New postby Doid23 on Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:40 pm

ankleBreaker22 wrote: They are FLORIDA ATHLETES, which means they are some of the best in the nation because they train outdoors year round.


Speaking of "ill-educated" comments. What, you don't think NY and MD laxers play and train year round? It's just colder. Ever heard of Box Lacrosse? It's not just for Canadians anymore. Lacrosse isn't baseball, we play on the snow, in the gym, etc.

From the results over the past years, St. Andrews seems to have a very strong program, and it sounds like they have a good team again this year. And for all I know, you could be right on how good a team they are this year (and they could be wrong that BL is #1). But this early in the season, hard to to rank them. But I think an earlier posters comment regarding travelling is spot on: What would the results be if the boys from St. Andrews spent their Spring Break up in Maryland, and not their 9th or 10th game, but rather play their first game at Boys Latin after BL has 10 games under their belts. Just so we're talking apples to apples here. Or do the same with West Islip, or West Genny. THEN it would be fair to compare the teams, not just St. A's but any team.
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New postby juicespringsteen on Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:48 pm

Quiet with the shenanigans and hootenanny in here! Don't be a bunch of riff raffs doggonit!
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New postby Exclamation Point on Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:19 pm

Best of luck this year, SP.

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New postby doms76 on Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:24 pm

Based on GT Prep-Gilman result, kudos to Lax Guys for the ranking of the two teams. Loyola-Haverford, another story, combined with the St. Paul's game Haverford has got to make your hair hurt. Loyola not even ranked, bet they will be now. Early season ups and downs, someone gave a nice report on the Loyola-Haverford game on the MIAA forum.
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New postby THEGilmanFan on Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:53 pm

doms76 wrote:Based on GT Prep-Gilman result, kudos to Lax Guys for the ranking of the two teams. Loyola-Haverford, another story, combined with the St. Paul's game Haverford has got to make your hair hurt. Loyola not even ranked, bet they will be now. Early season ups and downs, someone gave a nice report on the Loyola-Haverford game on the MIAA forum.



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