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The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby cloverdale on Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:30 pm

Hear us, Hear us. We hereby present our eighth installment of the Lax Guys' National HS Rankings. It’s pretty funny how each year the rankings have typically gotten easier to do as the season progressed, as there was less guesswork to do. However, this year is very different, as there haven’t been many teams who have consistently shown that they are the top in their state, conference or section.

For instance, take the MIAA. What many once thought was a two-team race was broken wide open with early season losses by St. Paul’s and Boys’ Latin. It then changed back to a two-team race through weeks of league play. Then this past week, both St. Paul’s and Boys’ Latin stumbled to what many considered “middle of the pack” squads.

Another example is on Long Island, where most of the top teams have lost to lesser nationally known programs: West Islip to Sachem North, Ward Melville to Walt Whitman, and Garden City to Wantagh. Without the emergence of truly great and unblemished teams, it has made this lacrosse season one of the more memorable in our time following the sport. This week’s edition unveils many changes to our top 25, as we have stewed over resumes and games we've seen to present our best idea of the high school lacrosse scene. Without further ado, here are the rankings.

1. Deerfield Academy (MA) (10-0)• The Big Green continue to hold down the #1 ranking this week after dominant performances against average competition. On Wednesday, they traveled to Loomis Chaffee and knocked off the Pelicans, 16-5. They also shut out Phillips Academy 12-0, boosted by two Duke-bound players, at home on Saturday. They will also topped Northfield Mt. Hermon on Monday, 15-3. Deerfield will host Hotchkiss on Saturday afternoon.

2. West Islip (NY Sect 11) (8-1)• Don’t look now, but the Lions are all the way back to #2 in our rankings. They capitalized on a slew of losses by last week’s top 10 and some good wins of their own to make the jump, including a 13-3 triumph over a good Smithtown West team on Wednesday. West Islip also got a career-high eight assists from Nicky Galasso in a 12-4 win over Bay Shore on Monday and finished the week out with a 14-9 victory over Floyd. This week they’ll face a test from Connetquot on Tuesday before traveling to West Babylon on Thursday.

3. Manhasset (NY Sect Eight) (10-0)• In what most were calling a rebuilding year, the Indians now find themselves at #3 in our rankings after a 10-0 start that includes wins over John Jay, Chaminade, and Darien. Last week, Manhasset got a game winner from Matt Tompkins to beat Chaminade in overtime and then pulled away from Darien in the fourth quarter to win 9-5 behind six goals from Penn-bound midfielder Drew Belinsky. This week, they’ll travel to Locust Valley on Wednesday before facing rival Garden City in the 119th Woodstick Classic on Saturday. (Manhasset leads the series 65-53).

4. Jamesville-DeWitt (NY Sect 3) (7-0)• The Red Rams responded well to their first close game of the season against then-#17 Fairport, as Syracuse-bound Jake Bratek scored five times to lead J-D to a 13-11 victory at Onondaga Community College on Saturday. They also defeated Cortland and New Hartford by a combined score of 35-6 during the week. They will play just one game this week, traveling to formerly second-ranked LaFayette for a showdown against the Thompson brothers on Saturday.

5. Canandaigua Academy (NY Sect 5) (8-0)• The Braves got past Webster-Schroeder, 9-4, on Tuesday night before getting three goals from Penn State-bound senior midfielder Tom LaCrosse in a 9-6 victory over rival Penn Yan on Friday. Canandaigua’s schedule continues to heat up this week, as their only contest is a game against Class A frontrunner Fairport on Saturday, which will go a long way to determining Section 5 bragging rights. CA has now won 28 consecutive games dating back to early last season against Corning East.

6. Ward Melville (NY Sect 11) (8-1)• The Patriots climb back into the top 10 after cruising to a 15-4 victory over West Babylon on Monday and then picking up a solid 10-7 win over previously unbeaten and then-#23 Connetquot on Wednesday. Duke-bound defenseman Matt Kunkel contained high scoring Kieran McArdle and Kevin McElhone netted three goals to lead WM to victory. This week, they’ll face a test at home from Smithtown West on Tuesday before facing off against struggling Northport at Stony Brook on Saturday as part of Lacrosse for Autism day.

7. Boys’ Latin (MIAA) (11-2)• The Lakers were able to clinch a 14-9 win against Spalding early in the week, propelled by attackmen Wells Stanwick and Pat Foster, but received their first league loss on Saturday at Loyola. Despite a superb performance by Stanwick, BL’s only lead occurred in the opening minutes, and they ended up falling to the Dons, 7-6. The Lakers will look to bounce back this week with two away games at McDonogh and St. Mary’s, respectively.

8. Salisbury School (CT) (6-1)• The Crimson Knights continued to cruise this week, crushing Berkshire and Hotchkiss by a combined score of 24-4. After having some early problems with their defense and feeling the effects of losing their star FOGO Ian Gordon, it appears that Salisbury has recovered and is playing top notch lacrosse. They will face two struggling teams this week, Northfield Mt. Hermon, and Kent School.

9. La Salle (PA) (9-1)• The Explorers have done nothing but take care of business since their opening game loss to Haverford School. Last week, La Salle dismantled lesser competition, winning their two games by a combined score of 26-5. However, this week La Salle faces two big tests on the road, at Malvern Prep on Tuesday and Springfield-Delco on Saturday.

10. Skaneateles (NY Sect 3) (7-0)• The Lakers, perennial contenders in Section 3, enter our rankings for the first time this week after trouncing then-#2 LaFayette, 15-3, in one of the more shocking scores of the season. Kevin Rice led Skaneateles with six goals and two assists, and the Thompson brothers were held to a season-low two goals. They also defeated Marcellus, 13-5, earlier in the week and have wins over 6-1 teams Auburn and Cazenovia Central. This week, the Lakers should cruise through games against Onondaga Central and Manlius-Pebble Hill.

11. St. Paul’s (MIAA) (9-3)• The Crusaders had a turbulent past week, knocking off Severn 13-1 but then dropped their first game since the first day of April, 9-8 to Calvert Hall. Over a dozen players were playing while still recovering from the flu, but SP was outplayed in every way and were unable to maintain the 4-0 lead they built in the first quarter. They will host Spalding on Tuesday and McDonogh on Saturday in front of hundreds of fans and alumni.

12. St. Anthony’s (NY CHSAA) (8-1)• The Friars picked up two solid wins in the past week, 16-7 against third-place Iona Prep and 13-8 over FCIAC power New Canaan on Saturday. Princeton-bound midfielder Tom Schreiber led St. Anthony’s with five goals against the Rams in a game which was part of the Lacrosse Day of Heroes in honor of Jimmy Regan, former Chaminade and Duke star who was killed in Iraq. The Friars will travel to league rivals Kellenberg and St. John the Baptist before going to Short Hills, NJ to face Delbarton in the schools’ annual contest on Saturday.

13. Haverford School (PA) (12-3)• The Fords’ seven-game winning streak was snapped at home on Tuesday at the hands of Malvern Prep, 9-7. However, they bounced back with solid wins over Episcopal Academy, 12-6, and Emmaus, 12-8. It’s clear that this team has the talent, but they need to stay more consistent in order to have a higher ranking. Haverford will play Penn Charter on Tuesday, Germantown Academy on Friday and Radnor on Saturday.

14. Wantagh (NY Sect Eight) (10-1)• Wantagh may not be a familiar name to those not from Long Island, but the Warriors have had a successful program for quite some time in Nassau and could have their strongest team since their state championship run in 2001. Yale-bound attackman Brandon Mangan scored four goals including the game winner in double overtime to lead the Warriors to a 10-9 win over then-#8 Garden City on Friday afternoon, only Wantagh’s second win all-time against the Trojans. This week, they’ll play just one game, traveling next door to Levittown to face MacArthur on Wednesday.

15. Garden City (NY Sect Eight) (6-2)• The Trojans handled Great Neck South, 16-5, on Tuesday but were tripped up by Class B rival Wantagh at home on Friday despite three goals from Tom Gordon. A rematch between these teams could very well occur in June for the right to go to the state tournament. No time to wallow for Garden City, however, as they host Connecticut power New Canaan on Monday and then hope to close the gap in their series against #3 Manhasset in the Woodstick Classic on Saturday.

16. Summit (NJ) (10-0)• Being undefeated is becoming a rarity at this point in the season, and the Hilltoppers are one of the few left. As noted by TGF, they have dropped this week even after picking up their best win of the season, over Madison 12-3. Unfortunately for Summit, it looks like their ceiling for this season may be around #12 due to the lack of quality competition they will face. Summit will continue to face mediocre foes this week with games versus Mendham and Chatham.

17. Loyola Blakefield (MIAA) (10-3)• The Dons had a huge past week at home, defeating archrival Calvert Hall, 7-6, and Boys’ Latin in front of a raucous crowd, also 7-6. They didn’t play their very best lacrosse but were able to do a great job on BL’s Carolina-bound attackman Pat Foster and dominate the ground ball game to upset the Lakers. Loyola will face two foes from Anne Arundel County this week, at home against St. Mary’s and at Severn on Friday afternoon.

18. Fairport (NY Sect 5) (7-1)• The Red Raiders crushed Section 6’s Niagara-Wheatfield, 15-4, on Wednesday but could not pick up a win against high-powered Jamesville-DeWitt on Saturday despite three goals by Maryland-bound senior Brandon Saylor and four by Andrew Hays. Fairport will get a slight breather against Webster Schroeder in midweek action before traveling to #5 Canandaigua on Saturday in the upstate game of the week for this week.

19. Conestoga (PA) (10-2)• The Pioneers winning streak was also broken up this week, as they fell to Springfield-Delco, 4-3 in overtime. However, they were able to rebound with a 16-0 drubbing of Harriton and a 8-1 win over Malvern Prep, who were able to grab a win over Haverford earlier in the week. 'Stoga will have an important game today against Radnor followed by away contests against Marple Newtown and St. Joe’s Prep later in the week.

20. Cold Spring Harbor (NY Sect Eight) (10-0)• The Seahawks just keep rolling along towards their match-up with Manhasset on May 8. They cruised past Class C opponents Locust Valley and Clarke last week and face two more this week, as they travel to Floral Park on Tuesday before hosting Mineola on Friday. CSH should be 13-0 heading into the aforementioned game against their rivals to the west.

21. Avon Old Farms (NE West 1) (10-1)• The Winged Beavers took care of business against some decent competition this past week beating Westminster 11-6 before hosting Kent and winning by the score of 10-7. AOF has a fairly easy week as they travel to play both Hotchkiss and Trinity-Pawling. However, a hell week looms the following week, when AOF plays both Brunswick and Deerfield.

22. Calvert Hall (MIAA) (6-4)• An up-and-down week for the Cardinals, as they started out with a loss against the Loyola Dons. However, they finished with their biggest win of the season over #11 St. Paul’s. The Cardinals start the week by hosting the struggling Gilman Greyhounds before hosting the up and coming Spalding team in a game which surely has playoff implications.

23. Georgetown Prep (MD) (13-3)• The Little Hoyas rolled this week against quality competition, knocking off a solid Hamburg squad, 7-3 at home. Next came what is perennially considered one of the best rivalry games in the country, their showdown at Landon. In the fourth one-goal game over the Bears in a row, Prep came away victorious, 4-3. This week they will play host to both Virginia public Madison and DeMatha.

24. Springfield-Delco (PA) (10-1)• The Cougars solidified a spot in our top 25 due to their recent successes. In the past week, Springfield-Delco ousted three of PA’s better teams: Conestoga, Penncrest and St. Joseph’s Prep. While many will argue they deserve to be ranked above Conestoga, we think Conestoga has a better resume overall than S-D. Perhaps the Cougars biggest fault is the whooping they took from an unimpressive St. Anne’s-Belfield team. The Cougars start the week with a cupcake before hosting two good teams in Garnet Valley and #9 ranked La Salle.

25. Highland Park (TX) (12-2)• Did not play this week.

Honorable Mention: Landon, St. Stephen's & St. Agnes, Arapahoe, Chaminade, LaFayette, Brunswick

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Thoughts of the Week

Cloverdale: In the past few weeks, I’ve talked about parity in high school lacrosse this year, touching on the MIAA as a whole and one team that is and will continue to be a big part of it. This week, I will discuss the La Salle Explorers, a team that was supposed to be below average for their standards due to a plethora of talented players headed to play at the Division I level. Many people doubted this program, claiming that the team was to undergo a ‘rebuilding’ year. However, like many of the top Baltimore private school programs, there doesn’t seem to be any kind of rebuilding year for the lacrosse program at La Salle College High School in suburban Philadelphia.

The Explorers jumped Conestoga and Haverford in the latest Phillylacrosse.com rankings thanks to dominant performances in the past week. This team, coached by the talented Bill Leahy, doesn’t have all of the top D1 programs attached to their names like last year’s team, but they have just as much talent. The only superstar is Maryland-bound attackman Kevin Forster, definitely one of the best in his class. Other than him and junior midfielder Jack Bogorowski (Hopkins), there is only a handful of kids headed for Division 1 in the junior and senior classes. But that matters little, as all of the kids play their roles to help boost the Explorers.

The whole team moves extremely well off ball and all of the kids on offense move the ball with ease. The defensive unit, despite losing a trio of All-Americans, is doing an excellent job shutting down opposing team’s top scorers. It doesn’t hurt that the man who leads that unit was the head coach of the MLL’s former Philadelphia Barrage. Juniors Victor Garcia and John Lawlor split time in net and have given up an average of only 5 goals a game thus far. Without such high expectations coming into the season, La Salle has been flying high and may be poised for another PIAA Championship appearance. Saturday will be a huge test, as they face Springfield-Delco, another team that has become hot. This showdown between two elite teams should clear up the Philadelphia lacrosse picture.

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LI13: I’ll break down two of Long Island’s six playoff races. In later weeks, I will take on the other races, but to keep it from getting too long, I will detail Suffolk A and Nassau B for now.

Suffolk Class A

The favorite: West Islip - The Lions appeared vulnerable after giving up 13 goals to Sachem North in a season opening loss but have been just like their old selves for the rest of the year, especially in a 13-3 victory at Smithtown West last Wednesday. It’s hard to pick against them as long as Nicky Galasso is still wearing that #5 jersey.

The contenders: Ward Melville and Connetquot - Both of these teams have enough to challenge the Lions both now and in the playoffs. WM’s Matt Kunkel may be the defender with the best chance to contain Galasso, while Connetquot’s high scoring attackman Kieran McArdle and top goalie Zach Oliveri will try to help the Thunderbirds to their first county final appearance.

Darkhorse: Smithtown West - The Bulls, despite recent losses, have enough talent to make a deep run into the playoffs. The attack unit of Kyle Keenan, James Pannell, and Matt Schultz will prove tough to contain for an entire game…it will be hard for another defense to duplicate West Islip’s performance.

Nassau Class B

The favorite: Garden City - Despite the loss, the Trojans and their great defense led by Stephen Jahelka and Brian Fischer are still the favorites to win Nassau B. A young but talented offense led by Tom Gordon and Devin Dwyer has the potential to break out as the season goes on, and Garden City’s difficult schedule will continue to challenge them and prepare them for the playoffs.

The contender: Wantagh - The Warriors just proved they are a serious contender by beating Garden City on their home field, and they aren’t going anywhere as they try to secure the #1 seed in the playoffs. Brandon Mangan and Ryan Walsh lead an explosive attack that scored more goals than anyone all year against the Trojans. Goalie Jake Gambitsky is also among the best in Nassau.

Darkhorse: South Side - The Cyclones started 1-5 against an insanely difficult schedule but proved that they could compete with the top teams with close losses against CSH and Garden City and a respectable loss against Manhasset. Gavin Ahern leads this young team, which lost a lot of firepower from last year but could find itself challenging the top two teams come late May.

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THEGilmanFan: My thoughts were really put into the introduction to our rankings. On a side note, THE CAPITALS NEED TO WIN. On Monday night, the Capitals and the Canadiens played, and Montreal’s goalie was out-of-this-world incredible. He stopped 53 of 54 shots to lead his team to a victory. I think the Capitals need to crowd around the net a little more and get into this young netminder’s head as we did in game two in the third period and in game three.

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Cloverdale: Ty Xanders attended St. Paul's School for Boys and played volleyball for the Crusaders. After playing lacrosse for five years, Ty decided to give up the sport after his freshman year and instead avidly follow it. In March of his senior year, he began covering high school lacrosse for Inside Lacrosse as an intern. He is a freshman at Lynchburg College but is currently taking the semester off and living in Towson, Md. In the past month, he started a landscaping and remodeling business with a friend and plans on continuing that this summer as well as an internship with IL. He plans on pursuing a degree in journalism and hopes to cover high school lacrosse and recruiting upon graduation. His hobbies include video games, going out with his friends, and following SEC football.

THEGilmanFan: Ryan Summers attended the Gilman School and played football and track and field for the Greyhounds. Ryan was a part of Gilman's 2002 nationally ranked football team, for which he played on the offensive line. Upon graduation from Gilman, Ryan attended the University of Dayton, where he would later receive a B.A. in psychology. Ryan currently resides in Odenton, Maryland and works for Keypoint Organization as a community outreach specialist. His job allows him to help mentally ill people become more independent and learn vital life skills. In his free time, Ryan enjoys playing video games, reading, and spending time with friends.

LI13: Chris Kieser is a senior at the University of Notre Dame, where he will graduate with a degree in Economics and History in May 2010. Before Notre Dame, he graduated from Northport High School on Long Island, where he was twice a member of the all-Suffolk County bowling team and attended nearly every boys' and girls' lacrosse game. He enjoys playing golf, poker, and watching baseball (New York Mets), college basketball (Duke and Notre Dame), and college football (Notre Dame), in addition to lacrosse. In the fall of 2010, he will be attending the Notre Dame Law School.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby flyerfan17 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:00 pm

TGF-Time to go back to Jose Theodore IMHO. Even though my Flyer's have deservedly slipped I am looking forward to Sat Set-GC game. Your job is really not easy. There are many good teams and players out there, far and beyond those talked most about here. Keep it up guys
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New postby JBinPA on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:01 pm

Perfect. No complaints whatsoever.
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New postby kr522 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:33 pm

WI and Manhasset in the top 3, and Canandaigua & LaSalle in the top 10? this is starting to look like last year's rankings.

Now we need Gilman to close out the season with the MIAA championship! right TGF?
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New postby docda on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:39 pm

Stranny,

Looks like they tied two anvils to the legs of Lafayette! :clap:
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New postby Doid23 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:48 pm

NIce job, good ranking. My only quibble is with Chaminade. Lost to #2 WI 7-10, #3 Set 6-7 in OT, convincingly beat #12 St. A's 14-8, and fell to a Yorktown team that has found it's stride 11-9. I've only seen them once on TV (and they were damn impressive looking), but I wonder how many teams would have fared as well given that schedule.
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New postby Doid23 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:54 pm

I'm sorry, I just re-read the rankings, The "Avon Old Farms Winged Beavers"? I'm sorry, they've got to move up in the rankings for that alone! I thought I've heard every random, out there school nickname (Williams Ephman, Colby Mules, Amherst Lord Jeffs, Conn College Camels, etc.), not sure how that one ever slipped by me. Brilliant!
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New postby kr522 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:22 pm

I was defending Chaminade last week after they lost to Manhasset but after Yorktown they need to win back a little respect. They have the talent and opportunity to do it



I'm no PA expert but shouldn't Conestoga rank above Haverford...higher quality loss and they thrashed a common opponent that Haverford lost to
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New postby LI13 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:25 pm

Haverford beat them head to head and has also beaten St. Paul's and LaSalle
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New postby laxfan100 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:37 pm

LI13 wrote:Haverford beat them head to head and has also beaten St. Paul's and LaSalle


Early games
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby thedisciple on Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:49 pm

Great job as usual, but...... just to nitpick. I was really expecting to see Manhasset at #1 this week. An undefeated team with wins over Chaminade and Darien to go along with a nine goal win over a solid John Jay squad deserves consideration for the top spot. Are you guys insinuating that Chaminade, Darien and Jay are a bit down this year????

Loyola may deserve to be a bit higher. They do have three losses but a resume with wins over Haverford, McDonough, Calvert Hall and Boys Latin... very impressive

other notes:

nice job getting Skaneateles in, that win over Auburn to start the year is looking better and better

Mercer Island might deserve an honorable mention, Lakeland, Guilderland and Mahopac are not great but very solid teams to get victories over, especially 3000 miles from home.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby THEGilmanFan on Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:32 pm

thedisciple wrote:Great job as usual, but...... just to nitpick. I was really expecting to see Manhasset at #1 this week. An undefeated team with wins over Chaminade and Darien to go along with a nine goal win over a solid John Jay squad deserves consideration for the top spot. Are you guys insinuating that Chaminade, Darien and Jay are a bit down this year????

Loyola may deserve to be a bit higher. They do have three losses but a resume with wins over Haverford, McDonough, Calvert Hall and Boys Latin... very impressive

other notes:

nice job getting Skaneateles in, that win over Auburn to start the year is looking better and better

Mercer Island might deserve an honorable mention, Lakeland, Guilderland and Mahopac are not great but very solid teams to get victories over, especially 3000 miles from home.


We aren't insinuating those teams are down. #3 in the nation is very respectable no matter how you put it. Deerfield has great wins as well and we don't think they have done anything to lose their top spot. Next week will speak volumes about their team and could determine if they hold the top spot for the rest of the year.

I've seen Loyola play a few times this year and I haven't really been that impressed. They split games with an up and down Calvert Hall team, lost to Gilman (not that good this year) and a respectable loss to St. Paul's. They could be a bit higher and will definitely move up given their win today over St. Mary's, unless they drop their game to Severn.

Mercer Island is a team that will get HM'd sometime soon I'm thinking. We've talked about them in the recent past. We really wish their games in NY had been against a little better competition though I'm still impressed with winning games 3000 miles away from home.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby kr522 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:10 pm

I don't see how you could reach that conclusion about Deerfield after next week.

While I would not argue Manhasset deserves the number one spot today, and fully agree a top 5 ranking is an accomplishment for any program, if Manhasset runs the table that would mean wins over GC, two over CSH, another over the Suffolk and Section I champs and then a win over Skaneatles, Penn Yan or Lafayette. Now that's a big IF but it's possible and should they pull if off it would be nonsensical to pronounce Deerfield the #1 in early May
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby Strannywastheman on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:29 pm

docda wrote:Stranny,

Looks like they tied two anvils to the legs of Lafayette! :clap:


Ha. #3 for the Indians ain't too shabby. Hammered Lafayette last year, may have to do it again this June. Woodstick looks like another battle, but Manhasset should be able to take GC this year.

Now CSH, those guys can be a real pain in the ....

Tough not seeing Cham in top 25. Yorktown loss was strange, but they are one of the 25 best imho.

Great work guys. :clap:
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New postby laxpa444 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:35 pm

Doid23 wrote:NIce job, good ranking. My only quibble is with Chaminade. Lost to #2 WI 7-10, #3 Set 6-7 in OT, convincingly beat #12 St. A's 14-8, and fell to a Yorktown team that has found it's stride 11-9. I've only seen them once on TV (and they were damn impressive looking), but I wonder how many teams would have fared as well given that schedule.


Hey Doid23, I got one for ya! How about McDonogh - the giant killers? They beat (current rankings) #11 St. Paul's; #13 haverford; #21 Avon Old Farms; #22 Calvert Hall and today they beat the stuffing out of #7 Boys Latin (10 to 6). I might be wrong but I can't see a single team in this week's top 25 that can put that on thier resume'. Their only losses are to ranked or formerly ranked Loyola, McCallie, Spalding and St. Mary's. Come on LaxGuys - where's the love!!!

BTW: Calvert Hall in the top 25 with a 6-4 record! You can't be serious? McD has twice as many wins and has faced a much tougher OOC schedule...
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby thedisciple on Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:43 am

THEGilmanFan wrote:
thedisciple wrote:Great job as usual, but...... just to nitpick. I was really expecting to see Manhasset at #1 this week. An undefeated team with wins over Chaminade and Darien to go along with a nine goal win over a solid John Jay squad deserves consideration for the top spot. Are you guys insinuating that Chaminade, Darien and Jay are a bit down this year????

Loyola may deserve to be a bit higher. They do have three losses but a resume with wins over Haverford, McDonough, Calvert Hall and Boys Latin... very impressive

other notes:

nice job getting Skaneateles in, that win over Auburn to start the year is looking better and better

Mercer Island might deserve an honorable mention, Lakeland, Guilderland and Mahopac are not great but very solid teams to get victories over, especially 3000 miles from home.


We aren't insinuating those teams are down. #3 in the nation is very respectable no matter how you put it. Deerfield has great wins as well and we don't think they have done anything to lose their top spot. Next week will speak volumes about their team and could determine if they hold the top spot for the rest of the year.

I've seen Loyola play a few times this year and I haven't really been that impressed. They split games with an up and down Calvert Hall team, lost to Gilman (not that good this year) and a respectable loss to St. Paul's. They could be a bit higher and will definitely move up given their win today over St. Mary's, unless they drop their game to Severn.

Mercer Island is a team that will get HM'd sometime soon I'm thinking. We've talked about them in the recent past. We really wish their games in NY had been against a little better competition though I'm still impressed with winning games 3000 miles away from home.


Fair enough, if you guys say Deerfield's schedule is legit, I'll take your word for it. If Manhasset beats Garden City this week it'll be tough to keep them out of the top two.

One more point, despite their weak schedule, Ithaca has been rolling. A 10 goal win over Corning East cannot be ignored, some honorable mention love may be warranted.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby laxguywm on Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:12 am

Great job. Thanks for all the info.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby CrabFan on Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:21 am

thedisciple wrote:
THEGilmanFan wrote:
thedisciple wrote:Great job as usual, but...... just to nitpick. I was really expecting to see Manhasset at #1 this week. An undefeated team with wins over Chaminade and Darien to go along with a nine goal win over a solid John Jay squad deserves consideration for the top spot. Are you guys insinuating that Chaminade, Darien and Jay are a bit down this year????

Loyola may deserve to be a bit higher. They do have three losses but a resume with wins over Haverford, McDonough, Calvert Hall and Boys Latin... very impressive

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nice job getting Skaneateles in, that win over Auburn to start the year is looking better and better

Mercer Island might deserve an honorable mention, Lakeland, Guilderland and Mahopac are not great but very solid teams to get victories over, especially 3000 miles from home.


We aren't insinuating those teams are down. #3 in the nation is very respectable no matter how you put it. Deerfield has great wins as well and we don't think they have done anything to lose their top spot. Next week will speak volumes about their team and could determine if they hold the top spot for the rest of the year.

I've seen Loyola play a few times this year and I haven't really been that impressed. They split games with an up and down Calvert Hall team, lost to Gilman (not that good this year) and a respectable loss to St. Paul's. They could be a bit higher and will definitely move up given their win today over St. Mary's, unless they drop their game to Severn.

Mercer Island is a team that will get HM'd sometime soon I'm thinking. We've talked about them in the recent past. We really wish their games in NY had been against a little better competition though I'm still impressed with winning games 3000 miles away from home.


Fair enough, if you guys say Deerfield's schedule is legit, I'll take your word for it. If Manhasset beats Garden City this week it'll be tough to keep them out of the top two.

One more point, despite their weak schedule, Ithaca has been rolling. A 10 goal win over Corning East cannot be ignored, some honorable mention love may be warranted.


I wouldn't say Deerfield's schedule is legit. Five of their 10 wins are against teams that are .500 or below and not a single team they have played has a CCR of 98.00 or above...sounds like a soft schedule to me. They are a Prep school so why don't they travel a little and play some tougher schools out of conference?
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby Laxlover84 on Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:55 am

To refer to St. Anne's-Belfield team as unimpressive team is a little unfair. I do conceed that the beginning of thier season was a little rough but that was with starting two sophmores and two juniors on defense. The Gilman game could of gone either way. The St. Mary's game was a bad outing and the SSSA game was a lot closer than the score indicated. STAB played that game without thier leading goal scorer. After that slow start they have won eleven straight games including beating St. Joseph (Pa) and completely dominating Springfield-Delco. They held Springfield-Delco scoreless for three quarters. This a team that is very much improved on defense and is very much in contention to win it's third straight Va state title.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 4/26

New postby Go2theGoal on Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:03 pm

CrabFan wrote:
thedisciple wrote:
Fair enough, if you guys say Deerfield's schedule is legit, I'll take your word for it. If Manhasset beats Garden City this week it'll be tough to keep them out of the top two.

One more point, despite their weak schedule, Ithaca has been rolling. A 10 goal win over Corning East cannot be ignored, some honorable mention love may be warranted.


I wouldn't say Deerfield's schedule is legit. Five of their 10 wins are against teams that are .500 or below and not a single team they have played has a CCR of 98.00 or above...sounds like a soft schedule to me. They are a Prep school so why don't they travel a little and play some tougher schools out of conference?


As the Lax Guys have pointed out, there have been many surprises in the team records this season. Certainly, some teams in many of the leagues are down this year. However, a number of very good teams around the country that have won or lost in OT or by 1-2 goals. If a league is stronger from top to bottom (has greater parity), it stands to reason that more teams will have mixed records.

One can argue whether the CCR Rankings are unbiased or not, as they are based partially on subjective inputs. Historically, they seem to over-estimate the strength of some leagues/teams and under-estimate the strength of others. In addition the "poll rankings" have not been applied yet. So, CCR is incomplete and based only on Pwer Ranking formula. Nonetheless, the average PR of the teams that the the top 10 above (in order) have beaten is as follows:

DA 91.4
WI 94.9
Manhasset 90.7
JD 90.8
Canandiagua 88.8
WM 94.0
BL 93.8
Salisbury 92.6
LaSalle 90.1
Skanealetes 90.0

The bottom line is that the rankings above are subjective, as are the IL Under Armour rankings due out tomorrow. One consideration has to be the dominance of teams within their leagues, which shows up in more subjective rankings, like this one. So, the validity of the CCR, Lax Guys and IL rankings are probably best assessed by similarities between the three, not the distinctions. Personally, I find it refreshing to see a team like DA get the respect in these raknings that it has long deserved. If you have seen them play, you know that they are not exceptional in any one area. They are simply very strong at every position and don't really have any weaknesses. Below is a video from IL from Saturday's game against Andover. I wasn't at the game. But, from the video, it looks like Andover was big and physical. Their goalie made some great saves. But, DA just kept on coming and dominated in a 12-0 win. The meat of DA's schedule comes in the next couple of weeks with Hotchkiss, Avon and Salisbury.

http://video.insidelacrosse.com/video/view/13246160/high-school---andover-vs-deerfield

It should also be noted that DA has continued to dominate their opponents despite losing two of their starting attackmen and one of their top 6 middies for the season, due to injuries in early/mid April.
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