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The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby cloverdale on Wed May 26, 2010 4:50 pm

Hear us, hear us. We hereby present our eleventh installment of the Lax Guys' National High School Rankings. The rankings remained fairly similar to last week's, with no teams dropping out. St. Paul's was the big mover after their dominating performance on Saturday night, defeating Boys' Latin for the MIAA Championship. It should be an exciting week coming up with a lot of great playoff action, especially in New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and New Jersey.

1. Manhasset (NY Sect 8) (15-0) (1) • The Indians were idle last week, as they waited for their opponent in the Nassau Class C semifinals. Top-seeded Manhasset will face fifth-seeded Seaford, which defeated Locust Valley in the quarterfinals last Wednesday at Hofstra and then, should they win, will play the winner of #2 Cold Spring Harbor and third-seeded Friends Academy in the championship on June 2. Manhasset defeated Seaford, 13-6, in their regular season meeting on May 13. The Indians bring a 31-game winning streak into the postseason and will be aiming for their second consecutive state championship.

2. West Islip (NY Sect 11) (15-1) (2) • The Lions finished their regular season with a 17-5 destruction of Northport last Monday, led by Andrew Hodgson's four goals. They had the rest of the week off, receiving a first-round bye in the Suffolk Class A tournament. This week, they will face ninth-seeded Whitman (W 16-4), which defeated Floyd in the opening round last Thursday. That game will take place on Tuesday. Should West Islip prevail, they will face the winner of #4 Connetquot and fifth-seeded East Islip in the semifinals on Friday afternoon. The defending state champions will be looking for their seventh consecutive Suffolk championship before attempting to secure their fourth state crown.

3. St. Paul's (MIAA) (15-4) (7) • Tied 5-5 with archrival Boys' Latin at the half, the Crusaders scored eight fourth-quarter goals en route to a 17-7 win in Saturday's MIAA Championship game. The title was their first since 2004 and their 25th overall. The defense was outstanding, limiting a talented Lakers' offense to less than a dozen shots on goal. Leading the way for St. Paul's were Jay Carlson (4 goals, 1 assist), Andrew Barton (2 goals, 3 assists), and Jeff Fountain (3 goals, 1 assist). Rick Brocato loses 17 seniors, one of the best classes in recent memory, but will return a solid corp that will try to defend their title.

4. Jamesville-DeWitt (NY Sect 3) (16-0) (3) • The Red Rams finished their regular season in strong fashion, defeating New Hartford and Cortland by a combined score of 38-8 to run their record to a perfect 16-0. Their state championship hopes took a big hit, however, as star senior midfielder Jake Bratek, a Syracuse-bound Under Armour All American, broke his collarbone in practice last Monday and will miss the remainder of the season. Nevertheless, J-D earned the top seed in the Section 3 Class B tournament and will play the winner of fifth-seeded Whitesboro and fourth-seeded East Syracuse-Minoa on Thursday in the semifinals. They will be hoping to defend their sectional crown and build on last year's state semifinal appearance.

5. Springfield-Delco (PA) (19-1) (6) • The Cougars dominated in their final regular season game, picking up a 10-3 win over Owen J. Roberts, 9-3. They followed that up with a 4-overtime thrilling win over Garnet Valley in the District 1 semifinals at Ridley HS. Springfield will now advance to face Central League rival Conestoga on Thursday night at Radnor HS.

6. Salisbury School (NE West) (13-1) (8) • The Crimson Knights finished their season with a respectable 9-3 victory over Choate Rosemary Hall. Salisbury still has a chance to rise in our rankings, as Springfield–Delco and the New York teams have to go through their playoffs.

7. Skaneateles (NY Sect 3) (16-0) (6) • The Lakers became the second Section 3 team to finish the season undefeated, downing Jordan-Elbridge and Marcellus, 18-5 and 14-8 respectively. With Class C being the most populous classification in Section 3, Skaneateles will have to play three games to win the sectional tournament, beginning with their quarterfinal game against the winner between ninth-seeded Tully and #8 Marcellus on Thursday. The semifinals, likely against Cortland or Watertown IHC, are on Saturday at Cicero-North Syracuse. Skaneateles last won a sectional title in 2008, when it lost to Corning East in the quarterfinal round.

8. La Salle (PA) (16-2) (9) • Before heading into the Catholic playoffs, the Explorers beat up on Conwell Egan, 20-2. Next, they topped .500 Cardinal O'Hara by a score of 13-4. Five different players scored two goals each for La Salle in their league semifinal win. For the 10th consecutive year, the Explorers will meet rival St. Joseph's Prep in Thursday's Catholic league championship at Plymouth Whitemarsh.

9. Boys' Latin (MIAA) (14-4) (4) • Last Tuesday, the Lakers avenged one of their two conference losses of the regular season, beating McDonogh, 10-7, with a strong fourth quarter. With everyone anxiously anticipating the championship game against rival St. Paul's, the hype became almost unbearable. The first half was what everyone expected, tied 5-5, after an R.G. Keenan to Stanwick goal with four seconds left. However, the second half was vastly different. The BL defense was absent, the goalies combined for 2 saves, and the offense was stagnant. The final score of 17-7 tied an MIAA record for the most lopsided championship game.

10. Deerfield Academy (NE West 1) (15-1) (10) • The Big Green finished their season by picking up a 15-6 win at home against Brewster Academy of the NE North. Despite falling to Salisbury a few weeks ago, Deerfield enjoyed a very successful season. They will lose a plethora of talented seniors and postgrads, many of whom are headed to play Division I lacrosse or two sports at top-notch Division III programs.

11. Conestoga (PA) (18-2) (11) • Conestoga started the PIAA playoffs with wins over Downingtown East and Lower Merion by the scores of 13-5 and 12-7, respectively. A huge matchup looms against honorably mentioned Abington (W 13-5), a one-loss team heading into the game.

12. Canandaigua Academy (NY Sect 5) (15-1) (12) • The Braves finished their regular season on a five-game winning streak by defeating rival Irondequoit, 7-4, and blowing past winless Brockport, 17-3, last week. Canandaigua enters the Section 5 Class B tournament as the top seed and begins its sectional and state title defenses in the quarterfinal round against either ninth-seeded Eastridge or eighth-seeded Spencerport on Thursday.

13. Fairport (NY Sect 5) (14-2) (14) • The Red Raiders pummeled top Class A rival Pittsford on Tuesday, 13-5, behind three goals and two assists from Gettysburg-bound senior attackman Martin Manilla. Fairport clinched the top seed in the upcoming Section 5 Class A tournament with the win and went on to defeat a struggling Gates-Chili squad, 17-3, on Thursday. They may see Gates again, as they will either face the eighth-seeded Spartans or #9 Hilton in the quarterfinals on Friday. Fairport is in search of its first sectional title since 2002, when it reached the state semifinals before losing to eventual state champion West Genesee.

14. Garden City (NY Sect 8) (13-3) (15) • The Trojans began the quest for their fifth consecutive Nassau Class B title with a 15-3 win over 15th-seeded Mepham on Wednesday. Second-seeded Garden City will face #7 Long Beach in the quarterfinals on Tuesday at Hofstra. Should they advance, they would face the winner of third-seeded Division and #6 Plainedge in the semifinals on Friday afternoon, also at Hofstra. Garden City is looking for its first Long Island championship since 2000, when it also won a state title, defeating Mikey Powell-led Carthage in the finals.

15. McDonogh School (MIAA) (16-6) (13) • Despite holding a somewhat comfortable 5-3 lead at half, the Eagles ended up dropping a 10-7 decision to Boys' Latin in the MIAA semifinals last Tuesday. BL was simply dominant at the faceoff X and had their best performances from their midfielders all year, outplaying McDonogh in every area on their way to a win. While inconsistent at times, the Eagles had a great season and have a lot to be proud of.

16. Ithaca (NY Sect 4) (16-0) (16) • The Little Red finished a dominating season with a second destruction of Corning East, 15-7, on Thursday, after handling winless Union-Endicott earlier in the week. Ithaca beat the Trojans by a combined 18 goals in their two meetings this season, and no team came within six goals of them all year. A state semifinalist last year after upsetting West Genesee in the quarterfinals, the Little Red will look to build on that performance in the state tournament this season. They have this week off due to the lack of Class A teams in Section 4 but will play Binghamton in the sectional final in early June.

17. Summit (NJ) (20-0) (17) • The Hilltoppers began the Tournament of Champions right, beating Manasaquan, Rumson Fair-Haven, and Mountain Lakes by a combined score of 36-5. Many critics will question the strength of schedule for Summit, but what they have been doing on the field is extremely impressive. Summit faces Madison, whom they beat earlier in the year 12-3, on Wednesday.

18. Ward Melville (NY Sect 11) (14-2) (18) • The Patriots finished the year in impressive fashion by shutting down Sachem North in a 12-1 victory on Doug Shanahan Night in Lake Ronkonkoma. On the night Sachem retired uniform number 26 of the first Tewaaraton Trophy winner, the Flaming Arrows could manage only one goal against the Matt Kunkel-led Ward Melville defense. The #2 seed in the Suffolk Class A tournament, WM will face seventh-seeded Smithtown East in the quarterfinals on Tuesday. Should they advance, the Patriots would host either third-seeded Smithtown West or those same sixth-seeded Flaming Arrows on Friday afternoon. Ward Melville is looking for its first Suffolk title since 2000, when it also won the last of its seven state championships.

19. Haverford School (PA) (19-4) (19) • The Fords advanced to the Inter-Ac finals on Friday by defeating Lawrenceville, a new member of the conference, 11-5. In the other semifinal, Episcopal Academy topped Malvern Prep, a team that Haverford fell to twice this season. The Fords will play the Churchmen on Wednesday night at Cabrini College.

20. St. Anthony's (NY CHSAA) (17-2) (20) • After defeating Iona Prep twice last week, first a 15-4 demolition in the regular season and then a closer 14-8 affair in the league semifinals on Saturday, the Friars have reached the inevitable rubber game with archrival Chaminade. Tom Schreiber and company will be looking for their second consecutive CHSAA championship when they face off against the Flyers at C.W. Post on Thursday.

21. Landon School (IAC) (17-4) (21) • Season completed.

22. Georgetown Prep (IAC) (18-4) (22) • Season completed.

23. Gonzaga (DC) (20-2) (23) • Season completed.

24. Highland Park (TX) (15-2) (24) • Season completed.

25. Avon Old Farms (NE West 1) (15-3) (25) • The Winged Beavers ended their season on the right note, picking up a 12-7 win over Loomis Chaffee at home. Even though they fell to the NE West's top two programs, Deerfield and Salisbury, AOF had a very successful season, earning a spot in the top 25 each week.

Honorable Mention: Darien, Abington, Mercer Island, John Jay, Chaminade, St. Mary's

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Thoughts of the Week

Cloverdale: After witnessing my beloved alma mater, St. Paul's, roll out a huge 17-7 win over archrival Boys' Latin in the MIAA finals, I figured that the big game would be a legitimate topic for my thoughts of the week. Despite BL jumping out to a 2-0 lead early, play on both sides was pretty sloppy considering neither team had played in the championship in the past few years. At the end of the first half, stud faceoff man RG Keenan fed Stanwick, who finished a shot on the crease with just a few seconds remaining.

As THEGilmanFan pointed out in his post after the game, this game was really a tale of two halves. Thus, the Crusaders' domination really took off in the final 24 minutes, reeling off nine consecutive goals. The longpoles were forcing turnovers left and right and pushed the ball upfield to SP's offensive weapons, namely Jay Carlson (Maryland), who scored all four of his goals in the second half. The Lakers simply couldn't get anything going, and an overwhelming majority of their shots were sent wide. The underrated defense of Draper Donley, Alec Mitchell, and David Mitchell-McShane was outstanding, limiting the Lakers' top-notch attack unit, which scored over 80% of BL's goals during the regular season. Junior LSM Wyatt Land (Bucknell) was lights-out covering Loyola-bound middie Jeff Chase, who scored 3 goals in the semifinals. The Lakers' simply couldn't score 6 on 6, and when he needed to, goalie Gunnar Waldt made a big save despite seeing fewer than 15 shots on goal all night. BL goalie Thomas Guarino really struggled seeing the ball, as did backups Pat Jennings and Adam Davey, who were thrown into the game with just a few minutes left.

It was unbelievable to see SP's talent really come out in the final game, especially against hated (but well respected) rival Boys' Latin. The Lakers' were getting all the press, magazine covers, headlines, etc., but St. Paul's used that as motivation. People had been talking for a few years about how all of the talent in the blue and gold wasn't performing and that they couldn't play together well. They certainly shut people up, and nearly 6,000 fans were dazzled with their punishing performance en route to the school's 25th MIAA (formerly MSA) championship. While I will remember that big win for the rest of my life, it saddens me that the great careers' of those 17 seniors came to an end, and I will never see that group of kids play together again. They are all talented players, and will likely be successful at the next level.

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LI13: The upcoming week will be a busy one on the Long Island lacrosse scene, as the playoffs heat up in the public school ranks and wind down in the Catholic league. Headlining the action is the rubber match between Catholic goliaths St. Anthony's (17-2) and Chaminade (14-4). In every season 1987, either the Friars of St. Anthony's or the Flyers of Chaminade have taken home the CHSAA title, and the rivalry heats up once again on Thursday at 4:30 PM at C.W. Post University. To read the rest of Chris' article, visit the InsideLacrosse web site.


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Cloverdale: Ty Xanders attended St. Paul's School for Boys and played volleyball for the Crusaders. After playing lacrosse for five years, Ty decided to give up the sport after his freshman year and instead avidly follow it. In March of his senior year, he began covering high school lacrosse for Inside Lacrosse as an intern. He is a freshman at Lynchburg College but is currently taking the semester off and living in Towson, Md. He plans on pursuing a degree in journalism and hopes to cover high school lacrosse and recruiting upon graduation. His hobbies include video games, going out with his friends, and following SEC football.

THEGilmanFan: Ryan Summers attended the Gilman School and played football and track and field for the Greyhounds. Ryan was a part of Gilman's 2002 nationally ranked football team, for which he played on the offensive line. Upon graduation from Gilman, Ryan attended the University of Dayton, where he would later receive a B.A. in psychology. Ryan currently resides in Odenton, Maryland and works for Keypoint Organization as a community outreach specialist. His job allows him to help mentally ill people become more independent and learn vital life skills. In his free time, Ryan enjoys playing video games, reading, and spending time with friends.

LI13: Chris Kieser is a senior at the University of Notre Dame, where he will graduate with a degree in Economics and History in May 2010. Before Notre Dame, he graduated from Northport High School on Long Island, where he was twice a member of the all-Suffolk County bowling team and attended nearly every boys' and girls' lacrosse game. He enjoys playing golf, poker, and watching baseball (New York Mets), college basketball (Duke and Notre Dame), and college football (Notre Dame), in addition to lacrosse. In the fall of 2010, he will be attending law school at Notre Dame.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby cloverdale on Wed May 26, 2010 4:53 pm

The link to Chris' article on IL didn't work in the rankings, so here it is:
http://insidelacrosse.com/blog/2010/05/ ... ff-picture
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New postby PALaxDad39 on Wed May 26, 2010 4:56 pm

Stoga beat Abington last night. BTW, Abington is not in Northeast, PA. They are a suburb of Philly.
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New postby cloverdale on Wed May 26, 2010 4:58 pm

PALaxDad39 wrote:Stoga beat Abington last night. BTW, Abington is not in Northeast, PA. They are a suburb of Philly.

The other two guys' did their writeups a few nights ago, but I will edit both parts.
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New postby THEGilmanFan on Wed May 26, 2010 5:25 pm

PALaxDad39 wrote:Stoga beat Abington last night. BTW, Abington is not in Northeast, PA. They are a suburb of Philly.


I wrote the Conestoga piece. I apologize, the map I looked up shows Abington in Northeast, PA.
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New postby NElax07 on Wed May 26, 2010 6:37 pm

How is St Pauls so high. I understand all the national hype about how talented they are and how successful all of their players will be at the next level, but i also understand all of the talk this year about how they just couldn't put it together on the field like they should have. Yea i get it they won the MIAA, but the lost to a, imho (and apparently TheLaxGuys too), down-year Haverford, a very ordinary 9-6 Calvert Hall, BL and McD. Certainly wins over Gtown Prep and a GC team that frankly doesn't play like they're ranked, not to mention revenge wins against BL and MCD, make up for these 4 losses. BL and STP have pretty much IDENTICAL records.

Salisbury beat the (at the time) undisputed (by the lax guys) #1 program in the country Deerfield and Avon Old Farms. A loss to #9 BL certainly doesn't merit slotting them in behind a 4 loss team, who incidentally lost to BL too. Losing to a team you just shouldn't lose to, period, like Calvert Hall should have more weight.

If the University of Southern California loses a game to an ordinary team like U of Minnesota you can bet your ass they aren't going to be playing in the BCS championship game come January. One loss (to say, a #9 Alabama) U of Florida will be.
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New postby Augustus Fink-Nottle on Wed May 26, 2010 6:56 pm

THEGilmanFan wrote:
PALaxDad39 wrote:Stoga beat Abington last night. BTW, Abington is not in Northeast, PA. They are a suburb of Philly.


I wrote the Conestoga piece. I apologize, the map I looked up shows Abington in Northeast, PA.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby HS Lax Fan1 on Wed May 26, 2010 8:16 pm

NElax07 wrote:How is St Pauls so high. I understand all the national hype about how talented they are and how successful all of their players will be at the next level, but i also understand all of the talk this year about how they just couldn't put it together on the field like they should have. Yea i get it they won the MIAA, but the lost to a, imho (and apparently TheLaxGuys too), down-year Haverford, a very ordinary 9-6 Calvert Hall, BL and McD. Certainly wins over Gtown Prep and a GC team that frankly doesn't play like they're ranked, not to mention revenge wins against BL and MCD, make up for these 4 losses. BL and STP have pretty much IDENTICAL records.

Salisbury beat the (at the time) undisputed (by the lax guys) #1 program in the country Deerfield and Avon Old Farms. A loss to #9 BL certainly doesn't merit slotting them in behind a 4 loss team, who incidentally lost to BL too. Losing to a team you just shouldn't lose to, period, like Calvert Hall should have more weight.

If the University of Southern California loses a game to an ordinary team like U of Minnesota you can bet your ass they aren't going to be playing in the BCS championship game come January. One loss (to say, a #9 Alabama) U of Florida will be.



NELax: Let me offer a little guidance. Your "very ordinary" Calvert Hall would have just won the NE West I going away had they been so fortunate to play in that league.

If you want to understand some of why St. Paul's is ranked that high, assuming you are a DA fan, imagine playing a difficult 5-game outside conference schedule, win them all but one, then play Salisbury and AoF every week for six weeks, 2 games each week...tell me what your conference record would be, 8 -4? Then play a two game playoff with those two, win both, then beat one in the final by 10 goals. That's how they are #3.

I swear, the NE West fans, I appreciate the persistent support you give your teams, but you guys need to be mentally stabilized. NE West had 3 good team this year...that was all. And CH would have beaten them.

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New postby BTB315 on Wed May 26, 2010 8:28 pm

Calvert Hall would not have won the NE West... no way
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New postby WhichCoast on Wed May 26, 2010 8:39 pm

NElax07 wrote:How is St Pauls so high. I understand all the national hype about how talented they are and how successful all of their players will be at the next level, but i also understand all of the talk this year about how they just couldn't put it together on the field like they should have. Yea i get it they won the MIAA, but the lost to a, imho (and apparently TheLaxGuys too), down-year Haverford, a very ordinary 9-6 Calvert Hall, BL and McD. Certainly wins over Gtown Prep and a GC team that frankly doesn't play like they're ranked, not to mention revenge wins against BL and MCD, make up for these 4 losses. BL and STP have pretty much IDENTICAL records.

Salisbury beat the (at the time) undisputed (by the lax guys) #1 program in the country Deerfield and Avon Old Farms. A loss to #9 BL certainly doesn't merit slotting them in behind a 4 loss team, who incidentally lost to BL too. Losing to a team you just shouldn't lose to, period, like Calvert Hall should have more weight.

If the University of Southern California loses a game to an ordinary team like U of Minnesota you can bet your ass they aren't going to be playing in the BCS championship game come January. One loss (to say, a #9 Alabama) U of Florida will be.


NELax, I would agree with you 100% if STP was ranked #1, because to be #1 you gotta be lucky as well as good, consistent as well as special-when-it-counts, and not have any injuries or disciplinary issues that cost you some wins.

However, STP is astonishing in the special-when-it-counts category, and since I firmly believe that on any given day any of the top 10 can beat any other, that STP has demonstrated that they rise to the occasion is worth a few spots to me.

Head to head, conditions optimal, neutral site, all chips on the line, I'd give MY nod to STP over anyone. However, in a 32 team 'top 1%' playoff scenario, STP might well lay an egg and run out of time before catching an AOF or a Highland Park.

Top 5 for sure, but not enough portfolio to get a #1 in my book.
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New postby WhichCoast on Wed May 26, 2010 8:43 pm

BTB315 wrote:Calvert Hall would not have won the NE West... no way


Agreed, but CH would have added one more team to the elite ranks (DA, SS, AOF) this year and may well have won a game or 2 among them. They also might well have lost to a Taft or a Westminster or a Brunswick. Like the MIAA, the middle of the pack in the NE West is where the challenge is.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby HS Lax Fan1 on Wed May 26, 2010 9:26 pm

WhichCoast wrote:
NElax07 wrote:How is St Pauls so high. I understand all the national hype about how talented they are and how successful all of their players will be at the next level, but i also understand all of the talk this year about how they just couldn't put it together on the field like they should have. Yea i get it they won the MIAA, but the lost to a, imho (and apparently TheLaxGuys too), down-year Haverford, a very ordinary 9-6 Calvert Hall, BL and McD. Certainly wins over Gtown Prep and a GC team that frankly doesn't play like they're ranked, not to mention revenge wins against BL and MCD, make up for these 4 losses. BL and STP have pretty much IDENTICAL records.

Salisbury beat the (at the time) undisputed (by the lax guys) #1 program in the country Deerfield and Avon Old Farms. A loss to #9 BL certainly doesn't merit slotting them in behind a 4 loss team, who incidentally lost to BL too. Losing to a team you just shouldn't lose to, period, like Calvert Hall should have more weight.

If the University of Southern California loses a game to an ordinary team like U of Minnesota you can bet your ass they aren't going to be playing in the BCS championship game come January. One loss (to say, a #9 Alabama) U of Florida will be.


NELax, I would agree with you 100% if STP was ranked #1, because to be #1 you gotta be lucky as well as good, consistent as well as special-when-it-counts, and not have any injuries or disciplinary issues that cost you some wins.

However, STP is astonishing in the special-when-it-counts category, and since I firmly believe that on any given day any of the top 10 can beat any other, that STP has demonstrated that they rise to the occasion is worth a few spots to me.

Head to head, conditions optimal, neutral site, all chips on the line, I'd give MY nod to STP over anyone. However, in a 32 team 'top 1%' playoff scenario, STP might well lay an egg and run out of time before catching an AOF or a Highland Park.

Top 5 for sure, but not enough portfolio to get a #1 in my book.



The NE West crowd needs to get on their G5's and travel. :dance:

Guys...you're misleading yourselves :liar: if you think the top 3 NE West teams would have anywhere near the records they had this year if they played a hard schedule. NE as a region generally is cupcake lax city; more i-bank preparatory and less athletc excellence. :geek:

I still stand on an objective assessment of NE West as just fundamentally not being that good. Lax isnt a priority sport from day one for most of the kids who go there, regardless of artifical annual injections of PG talent from wherever. :naughty:

I think that the three teams this year would have been middling MIAA squads, no better. :pray:

And I saw them. The rest of the NE West I would have been bottom of the barrel. :|

That all said, they are much better than a decade ago. :whatever:
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New postby The Boys On The Hill on Wed May 26, 2010 9:40 pm

NElax07 wrote:How is St Pauls so high. I understand all the national hype about how talented they are and how successful all of their players will be at the next level, but i also understand all of the talk this year about how they just couldn't put it together on the field like they should have. Yea i get it they won the MIAA, but the lost to a, imho (and apparently TheLaxGuys too), down-year Haverford, a very ordinary 9-6 Calvert Hall, BL and McD. Certainly wins over Gtown Prep and a GC team that frankly doesn't play like they're ranked, not to mention revenge wins against BL and MCD, make up for these 4 losses. BL and STP have pretty much IDENTICAL records.

Salisbury beat the (at the time) undisputed (by the lax guys) #1 program in the country Deerfield and Avon Old Farms. A loss to #9 BL certainly doesn't merit slotting them in behind a 4 loss team, who incidentally lost to BL too. Losing to a team you just shouldn't lose to, period, like Calvert Hall should have more weight.

If the University of Southern California loses a game to an ordinary team like U of Minnesota you can bet your ass they aren't going to be playing in the BCS championship game come January. One loss (to say, a #9 Alabama) U of Florida will be.
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New postby The Boys On The Hill on Wed May 26, 2010 9:55 pm

NElax07 wrote:How is St Pauls so high. I understand all the national hype about how talented they are and how successful all of their players will be at the next level, but i also understand all of the talk this year about how they just couldn't put it together on the field like they should have. Yea i get it they won the MIAA, but the lost to a, imho (and apparently TheLaxGuys too), down-year Haverford, a very ordinary 9-6 Calvert Hall, BL and McD. Certainly wins over Gtown Prep and a GC team that frankly doesn't play like they're ranked, not to mention revenge wins against BL and MCD, make up for these 4 losses. BL and STP have pretty much IDENTICAL records.

Salisbury beat the (at the time) undisputed (by the lax guys) #1 program in the country Deerfield and Avon Old Farms. A loss to #9 BL certainly doesn't merit slotting them in behind a 4 loss team, who incidentally lost to BL too. Losing to a team you just shouldn't lose to, period, like Calvert Hall should have more weight.

If the University of Southern California loses a game to an ordinary team like U of Minnesota you can bet your ass they aren't going to be playing in the BCS championship game come January. One loss (to say, a #9 Alabama) U of Florida will be.


The MIAA went 34-17 out of conference. Taking MSJ out, the conference went 33-13 in non league games. Only 2 teams weren't in ear shot of making the playoffs (Severn and MSJ). In the red division, including St. Paul's, 4 out of the 5 teams had winning records. St. Paul's also played St. Mary's and Boys' Latin twice. That is 5 CONFERENCE teams that they had to play TWICE that had winning records. In those games, St. Paul's went 7-3. All three of those losses were by 1. So only Haverford beat them by more than one. Deerfield's one loss was by 3.

That is why St. Paul's School for Boys deserves to be that high.

A quick scan of some NE 1 West schedules, I saw Avon Old Farms lost to McDonogh, and Salisbury lost to Boys' Latin. Two of the teams St. Paul's had to play twice. St. Paul's: 2-2, NE 1 West, 0-2. Not to mention St. Paul's losses were both by 1, NE 1 West's "studs" of Salisbury and Avon Old Farms, AoF lost by 1, and Salibury (who beat Deerfield), lost by 5.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby laxdad777 on Wed May 26, 2010 10:02 pm

i think people are looking to far into the SP Haverford game. That game was the first of the season for SP. SP had a very slow spring considering half of their team was in arizona all spring break for a choir tour, so they got less practice then all the other MIAA teams. They also put in a whole new defense which would have happened over spring break but they werent their. So the Haverford game was the first time using the new defense and obviously SP was slow to slide, and a bit confused. But since then they were a totally different team as we saw with the ten point victory over the second best team in the MIAA
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby BTB315 on Wed May 26, 2010 10:15 pm

and people are looking too far into Avon and salisbury's first games..... both completely different teams at the end of the year
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby Silver Spring on Wed May 26, 2010 10:25 pm

I would love to know when HS Lax Fan saw the NE W teams play. Saying he saw them getting off the bus for their first game does not mean he saw them. This is not an excuse for the loss, BL was a better team on that day, but only a reason they have improved a ton since the BL game- they lost their face off guy, one of the best in the country a few days before the BL game, and four of their top five long poles were new. They have improved a lot. On this same post you have guys from St. Pauls saying the were slow at the start of the season. I don't want to sound disrespectful, but I have seen very good G Town Prep teams, not this years edition. HSLax fan was very high on Prep this year. I am confident Salisbury would have given Prep all it wanted last year, by all accounts a better team than this year's Prep team. I am trying to compare teams I have seen play at their best, not comparing extrapolations from the first game of the season. Judging NE West on Salisbury and Avon's first games is passing judgement while looking through very dirty scratched glass. I say again, on this years team, five kids that start and six kids total are going to Colleges that made the tournament this year. There are other kids going to DI Schools like Harvard and Navy and lots of good DIII programs. Salisbury is very very athletic, as athletic or more athletic than any team I have seen, MIAA, IAC, (I will admit, I haven't seen NY publics play so I will not comment on them) Salisbury plays like a team and they have great coaching. I agree the MIAA is the deepest conference in the country. They have very tough schedules. But I would put the NE W against any other league anywhere, and as it is nearly impossible to run the table in the MIAA now, it is very difficult to run the table in the NE West. So HS Lax fan, when did you see Salisbury to make your judgements after the BL game? What other teams did you see from the NE West other than their first games?
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby shorelaxin on Wed May 26, 2010 10:28 pm

Not sure about Gonzaga being ranked. They played a very weak schedule and Prep destroyed them. WCAC is not close to being a top conference in Balt/DC Metro area. I think Severna Park would be more deserving. Looks like they will be undefeated Maryland State 4A Champs.
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby maroon123 on Wed May 26, 2010 11:03 pm

Severna Park should not be ranked. If you think Gonzaga's schedule was weak, take a closer look at Severna Parks schedule. Severna Park may be a great team, but you will never know based on their lack of scheduled tough games. Maybe next year they should play Gonzaga, Prep, or Landon. Maybe even Severn or St Mary's.....
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Re: The Lax Guys' National High School Rankings 5/24

New postby Go2theGoal on Wed May 26, 2010 11:08 pm

HS Lax Fan1 wrote:The NE West crowd needs to get on their G5's and travel. :dance:

Guys...you're misleading yourselves :liar: if you think the top 3 NE West teams would have anywhere near the records they had this year if they played a hard schedule. NE as a region generally is cupcake lax city; more i-bank preparatory and less athletc excellence. :geek:

I still stand on an objective assessment of NE West as just fundamentally not being that good. Lax isnt a priority sport from day one for most of the kids who go there, regardless of artifical annual injections of PG talent from wherever. :naughty:

I think that the three teams this year would have been middling MIAA squads, no better. :pray:

And I saw them. The rest of the NE West I would have been bottom of the barrel. :|

That all said, they are much better than a decade ago. :whatever:


HS Lax Fan1...your posts and inaccurate characterization of NE West 1 continue to get more obnoxious and give you less credibility...

Over 30% of DA's students are on financial aid (you may find this hard to believe, but, they ride to all their games in a 10 year old "yellow school bus" painted in the school colors). So, give the elitist rant a rest. Last weekend I spoke with a top D1 coach at the NCAA tournament. We got talking about the MIAA/NE West 1 discussion. While we both agreed that MIAA is the toughest league, top to bottom, he was confident that DA was as good as any team in the MIAA this year and he had nothing but respect for them...so much for your "expert" opinion. We'd all love to see more games between the MIAA and NE West 1, mostly so we wouldn't have to listen to your pontification any more. But, playing those games in MD at the end of NE West 1's spring trip, when NE West 1's final cuts haven't even been made and the MIAA teams have been playing for a month with 3-4 games under their belt, isn't the solution. Mid-April games at a neutral site are the best approach.

As far as this week's rankings go, I think the Lax Guys do a fantastic job. But, ranking a BL team with 4 losses (including a very poor performance against STP) above DA is a bad call. The game between BL and STP was an embarrassment for BL. At no point in DA's season, including their worst showing of the year, against another team that would have contended at the top of the MIAA (Salisbury), DA was not close to losing by 10 goals. In fact, DA never allowed 10+ goals in any game all season. STP did twice and BL did EIGHT times. Furthermore, DA's average margin of victory was 9 goal this season. The one game they lost was by 3, all with a SOS that ranks in the top 25 in the country. I won't argue with the MIAA Champ being ranked above DA, since they didn't win NE West 1. But, I don't know how one justifies ranking BL above DA. As an aside, the WI ranking all year has been too high. They are no where near the top 3 in the country this year, IMO.
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